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By: sooz
Date: 3/28/98 9:58:42 PM
# Replies: 57
Hey, people... I'm doing a survey. No, really. I'm looking for answers and opinions. What better forum than this?
1. Were you ever in the scouting program (Tiger Cub, Cub Scout, Webelo, Boy Scout, Campfire Girl, Brownie, Girl Scout, etc.)? 2. How long did you stay? i.e. what level did you achieve? 3. If you were in the program: What's your view of it? 4. What do you do for a living now?
For real, I'm presenting this info at a scout meeting.
Response #1
By: Mycroft
Date: 3/29/98 4:10:29 PM
I was in Weeblos (sp?) for a year, followed by about 6 months of scouting after I became a boy scout, and preceeded with a month of pseudo-boyscouthood BEFORE there was a weeblo troup in my area. (I earned my first-aid beltloop during that time, meaning that on my first night of being a boyscout, I got two loops, and gained 2 ranks.) I didn't earn anything after that night, rapidly losing interest. I earned my tiger (? lowest cubscout patch) patch, my arrow of light (only major weeblo award), my boy scout membership, and tenderfoot rank. Now, I do techsupport and plot world domination. I got the idea to be a despotic, murdering dictator during that time in my life.
Response #2
By: rorschach
Date: 3/29/98 5:17:55 PM
lets see, i was a cub scout WAAAAAAYYYYY back when.... I was almost ready to "graduate" to the webelo's when the troop disbanded because the parents couldn't get along... an example.... during the pinewood derby, the rules state that once a car has been entered, it cannot be modified... my entry won all the heats and was in first place going into the final heat. the troop leader's son's car was a bit under weight but had won all his heats up to that point, they added fishing weights to bring it up to max weight before the final heat, I lost by a split second winning second place. the troop leader just happened to be a Texas Commerce bank president (the same TCB that SPONSORED the troop...) when an outcry over the antics ensued... suddenly the bank no longer sponsored the troop.... hence the disbandment.... great lesson in leadership skills don'cha think? currently i design oil rigs, previous to that i designed ruggedized computers and steel mill equipment.
(p.s. the third place winner saw what was being done and modified HIS vehicle as well, my vehicle was the only UNMODIFIED entrant in the race...)
Response #3
By: Cleotis
Date: 3/29/98 6:26:11 PM
I was a "Demolay". That's a boy's version of freemasonry. Boy was it big fun!
For God, for Country, for Demolay!
I was there for about 3 years. From 13 to 16.
Response #4
By: Ralf
Date: 3/29/98 8:39:04 PM
I was never a scout.
(Though I've been complemented on my knot-typing abilities...)
Response #5
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 3/29/98 8:57:24 PM
Cleotis... you're a freemason!??
Response #6
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 3/29/98 9:09:46 PM
My parents were ag'in Scouts.
I went to one Cub Scout meeting. After that, never again.
I'm a computer technician and system administrator. My business is currently in the toilet and I'm looking for an RJ (real job).
I'm sure I would have benefitted greatly by being in the scouting program and would no doubt already be in prison or the president of a multibillion dollar corporation if I had pursued it.
Response #7
By: Jay
Date: 3/30/98 11:38:59 AM
I was in a coven of devil worshipers but left right after I had my testicals ritualistically shaved and tattooed...I did get my desert survival badge though...
Response #8
By: Cleotis
Date: 3/30/98 7:12:46 PM
Homer - no, I'm not a Mason. When I learned a little bit about Freemasonry's rituals, I realized that it was a little too cult-like for my Christian beliefs, so I 86'd the plan to grow old and wear a funny hat.
Demolay was similar to Freemasonry in a lot of ways, but it was a boy's version of it. It was okay for the most part, but it too had some weird ritualistic stuff that rubbed me wrong as a Christian, so when I started getting serious about my faith, I bailed.
That unwritten rule about not allowing blacks into Demolay or Freemasonry made me bitter, too.
Did you know there's a "black man's" version of Freemasonry? I'm not kidding. It's called "The Oddfellows". They're a legitimate, established group - have been for hundreds of years. It was started because black men couldn't become Masons.
Damn shame.
Response #9
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 3/30/98 11:01:30 PM
There's an Oddfellows' Hall here that is a performance space. Theater and dance and a weekly swing dancing party.
Swing dancing is big on the west coast for some reason...
I always thought the IOOF (Imperial Order of OddFellows) was some kind of funny name that the performance space owners made up...
Response #10
By: Zanda
Date: 3/30/98 11:27:33 PM
I was a brownie,about 2 yrs, then I was a girl scout that lasted about 6 months, I lived in town of about 300 and they will only buy so many cookies, secondly I did not like camping (I cant eat eggs and that is all they would fix for breakfast), and I got into a fight with the mayors daughter and hit her with a coat hanger...Now, I am do pagination and editing for a news paper, and I am an office manager (2 jobs)
Response #11
By: Da Sissop
Date: 3/31/98 12:00:42 AM
I was kept out of scouting for medical reasons. Chronic "Cap Hair".
Response #12
By: Ralf
Date: 3/31/98 6:43:14 PM
Dammit, what about all those Boy Scout cookies you made me buy??!
Response #13
By: sooz
Date: 4/1/98 3:25:36 PM
Didn't you wonder why he kept referring to them as "patties", Ralf Dear?
Response #14
By: Hijinx
Date: 4/1/98 8:32:28 PM
Back when I was in Boy Scouts, all we ever did was go on the campouts and try to get drunk on whatever my friend Michael could wrangle from his dad's liquor cabinet...and fish and set fires and stuff.
I'm a much better person for doing it...:)
Response #15
By: Cleotis
Date: 4/3/98 12:13:22 AM
Was your scout leader's name VanDriessen?
Response #16
By: Kathy
Date: 4/4/98 8:16:47 PM
I was a girl scout. I went up to Junior girl scouts. I have no view of it other than I love the cookies. And I program computers for a living.
Response #17
By: Ralf
Date: 4/5/98 6:18:24 PM
Yo Sooz: what's the result of your survey?
Response #18
By: sooz
Date: 4/5/98 10:35:41 PM
I'm still compiling. Keep adding data.
Response #19
By: Da Sissop
Date: 4/5/98 11:51:35 PM
I worked my way up through the ranks: Cub Scout, Boy Scout, Eagle Scout, Vampire Scout, Orgy Of The Dead Scout...
Nowadays I'm president of the militant left-wing faction of the Hair Club For Men.
Response #20
By: Zipperhead
Date: 4/7/98 9:16:31 AM
Careful sooz...If you have ever seen Kathy's code....Well calling her a programmer is well you know...Does the term Spagehtti Code mean anything to you...
Response #21
By: sooz
Date: 4/7/98 12:58:16 PM
Huh? We were talking about scouting, not programming.
Response #22
By: Da Sissop
Date: 4/7/98 6:03:02 PM
Mmmmmm... spaghetti....
Response #23
By: Cleotis
Date: 4/7/98 6:51:25 PM
Mmmmmmm. Programming!
Makes me steamy!
Response #24
By: Loki
Date: 4/8/98 1:01:51 AM
Hmmm.. at least I've stopped structuring my programs after passages of the Tao Te Ching. I still need to break the habit of naming troublesome variables after co-workers though.
I did do one program with variables entriely in French... Which my French professor loved, but my comp-sci professor was not very amused at...
Response #25
By: Jay
Date: 4/8/98 10:09:17 AM
Hyku is the most sophisticated style of programming....
Response #26
By: Da Sissop
Date: 4/8/98 4:39:44 PM
Do while Life < 0
Life = Life + Love + Dreams
Loop, Loop like a bird!
Response #27
By: Mycroft
Date: 4/8/98 6:03:23 PM
We will _not_ bring up Haiku in this establishment. Somewhere, Loki and Jaka have about 30 haiku. You _don't_ want them to find them. (please!)
Response #28
By: Loki
Date: 4/9/98 3:17:54 PM
A normal Monday... The motherboard is smoking!! Look... Intel inside.
Response #29
By: Loki
Date: 4/9/98 3:45:25 PM
Puny mortal.
Our Haiku will CONQUER THE WORLD!!!
THERE CAN BE ONLY FIVE-SEVEN-FIVE!!!
Response #30
By: Hijinx
Date: 4/9/98 4:25:51 PM
A friend of mine wrote this on...
Life is a Tex-Mex A chicken chimichanga With or without beans
Check out his site, Richie Millenium in the Thirteenth Dimension. Its a hoot.
Response #31
By: jaka
Date: 4/9/98 5:51:02 PM
Thirty? Just thirty?
Try upwards of 150...
Some in epic form.
Response #32
By: Da Sissop
Date: 4/9/98 5:56:27 PM
> THERE CAN BE ONLY FIVE-SEVEN-FIVE!!!
Well I was treating the mathematical symbols as single-consonant grunts.
Response #33
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 4/12/98 8:10:28 AM
Ya know the bad thing about being gone a long time? When you return there is all this texty stuff to read if you really want to be a part of the conversation.. Being one who likes to be a part of the conversation, but not BEING a part of the conversation, I have to say..
I love this scrolly thingy!!!!
Hello again..
Response #34
By: sooz
Date: 4/12/98 10:58:28 PM
TESS! Yippee!!!
Response #35
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 4/13/98 9:21:10 PM
TessTess!!
Response #36
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 4/25/98 9:03:44 AM
Good morning everyone...
This post is being brought to you live from the land of restructuring or so it is called now after mergers.. Kev and I play the same game this time called, "who will be retired first."
I'm really begining to like his idea of going to New Zealand to raise sheep.
Oh well...
Response #37
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 4/27/98 1:50:51 AM
Please remember everyone...
When you're unemployed, EVERY DAY is a SATURDAY.
Response #38
By: Jay
Date: 4/27/98 8:48:13 AM
if I knew how much fun being unemployed was I woulda done it sooner
Response #39
By: rorschach
Date: 4/27/98 12:12:03 PM
ah but it is a saturday in which you have no money to go anywhere or do anything....
Response #40
By: Da Sissop
Date: 4/27/98 2:14:17 PM
And there aren't nearly as many cool Saturday morning cartoons these days.
Response #41
By: sooz
Date: 4/27/98 3:06:54 PM
It's a fact, SysDude. Jimmy's switched to watching "The Happy Painter" for cheap entertainment.
"MOM! Check this out! This guy has to be REALLY stoned to act like this..."
Response #42
By: Da Sissop
Date: 4/27/98 7:05:09 PM
Granted, as a fully-grown adult, I *prefer* to see, like, The Today Show and whatnot.
But it's gotta be a sucky time to be a kid.
Response #43
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 4/28/98 9:37:13 AM
Former Eagle Scout executed in Texas HUNTSVILLE, Texas (Reuters) - A former Eagle Scout who killed a bank president's wife in a botched 1985 extortion attempt was executed by lethal injection on Friday. Lesley Gosch, 42, died at 7:39 p.m. EDT, 11 minutes after a toxic solution of chemicals began flowing into his arm. He was the second man executed in Texas this week. Gosch made no final statement and died quietly, gasping once as he took a last breath while strapped to a gurney in the state death chamber. Witnesses, who included several friends and the victim's daughter, were also silent. He was executed for shooting Rebecca Patton, 43, six times in the head on Sept. 15, 1985 after entering her San Antonio home under the pretense of being a flower deliveryman. Once inside, Gosch pulled out a .22-caliber pistol fitted with a silencer and ordered the woman to call her husband, bank president Frank Patton, at his office. Gosch demanded that Patton fill a briefcase with money and go to a nearby shoppingmall. Instead, Patton called the police. Gosch shot the woman, then fled with John Rogers, an accomplice waiting nearby. The two were captured a week later. Rogers testified against Gosch and was sentenced to 45 years in prison, while Gosch gotthe death penalty. Gosch was awaiting sentencing on a federal charge of making and selling gun silencers at the time of the murder. He had two previous convictions for robbing drugstores. His life of crime as an adult contrasted to a promising youth when he attained the rank of Eagle Scout, the highest distinction for a member of the Boy Scouts. Gosch spent his final day conferring with attorneys and visiting with friends. He declined a last meal. On Tuesday, Joseph Cannon, 38, was put to death for the 1977 shooting death of a San Antonio woman despite a plea for his life from Pope John Paul II. Cannon's case touched off an international outcry because he committed the crime when he was17. Gosch was the fifth person executed in Texas this year and the 149th since capital punishment was reinstated in 1982. Last year, a record 37 men were put to death in Texas, which leads the nation in executions. ^REUTERS@
Response #44
By: Jay
Date: 4/28/98 11:01:21 AM
Look Ma! I finally got my Lethal Injection Badge!
Response #45
By: sooz
Date: 4/28/98 10:43:26 PM
I'd like to thank Gowan for putting some perspective on this whole scouting thing.
Response #46
By: Cleotis
Date: 4/28/98 11:31:17 PM
The whole "be prepared" thing could sprout another spicy religious discussion!
Response #47
By: rorschach
Date: 5/2/98 9:03:18 PM
perhaps the guy used the "be prepared" advice when he broke in, after all, he came with a .22 and a silencer...
Response #48
By: sooz
Date: 5/3/98 5:11:49 PM
I know it was only a .22 and all, but why on earth would you wanna shoot someone SIX TIMES in da head?
Response #49
By: Jay
Date: 5/4/98 9:32:47 AM
maybe "he just needed killin'"
Response #50
By: rorschach
Date: 5/4/98 12:16:20 PM
A .22 doesn't have much punch, especailly after going thru a silencer (depending on the type, the baffle type doesn't slow the bullet down too much but the steel wool disposable type does...) (going from memory because I don't have my ballistics manuals here at work) I think the muzzle velocity of a .22 short (like most revolvers take) is something on the order of 700 fps tops. I think the bullet weighs something like 60 grains or so. impact energy = mass x velocity squared. you do the math....
you wanna make sure you kill somebody quietly? use a huge, heavy bullet (say .45 to .50 caliber), moving subsonically, and a good baffle type silencer. and make sure the cg (center of gravity) of the bullet is very close to the base so it will tumble, you'll likely have the bullet hit broadside, spreading the energy around. just don't do this from long range, the accuracy will be for shit.
Response #51
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/4/98 1:13:12 PM
NO KILLING. Don't nobody go off and kill anyone now, or I'll be really pissed.
Response #52
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 5/4/98 8:12:58 PM
Awwwwww, but Faaaaaaang......
Response #53
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/4/98 10:50:10 PM
Boy Scout, can't remember, it was ok (the beer and hookers made the meetings worth it), ceral killer.
Response #54
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 5/5/98 1:39:18 AM
I'm reminded of a line in the book FRIDAY by Robert Heinlein. The main character is lost in the wilderness, trying unsuccessfully to start a fire to keep warm, and thinks to herself "If only I could find a Boy Scout, I could rub his legs together and start a fire."
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #55
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/6/98 10:36:35 PM
Well I have to say, that I think with most guys around that age, Boy Scout or not, you could virtually rub ANY part of them anywhere and start a fire. Metaphorically speaking.
Response #56
By: Mycroft
Date: 5/9/98 11:11:35 AM
Heinlein was great before he went crazy.
Response #57
By: Ralf
Date: 5/10/98 12:35:32 PM
Re, Greets: Hey, Sorc! Long time.
Re, Gun Crazed Scout: Modern killers prefer using six .22 slugs because firing one 1.32 calibre round would probably break your wrist.
Re, Heinlein: He was ALWAYS crazy. It was attenuated slightly with age, however. He just didn't give a damn anymore who knew once he became Rich'n'Famous[tm].
Mumbled Under Breath: I should log in here more often.