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By: rorschach
Date: 4/21/98 1:04:25 PM
# Replies: 65
Recently, Prez Clinton had a "town hall meeting" on the situation of sports and race relations focusing primarily on how blacks seem to have a large majority of the players jobs compared to the other races.
Now, there was a time when Howie Cosell was shown the door for commenting on this relatively obvious situation. My how things have changed......
People, let us be honest with ourselves. Anyone who thinks that being kidnapped, hauled accross the atlantic in a slave ship, then sold and worked as slave labor WASN'T a darwinian experience please raise your hand....
Those who survived the experience are naturally going to be stronger and better able to deal with pain than those that did not profit from that evolutionary process. It is (un)natural selection at work!
The blacks alive today benefit from that selection process because the gene pool has statistically more "good" genes than the gene pool of all the other races. (by good genes, I mean genes for strong muscles and bones, tolerance for pain, stronger immune systems etc. things that would have been necessary to survive that ordeal.)
Now, do not get me wrong, I am not defending the practice of slavery, I am only stating that it did have an effect on the gene pool of blacks that has had the result that more blacks are able to excell in strenuous activities like sports than those of other races. Anyone who cannot honestly think about this without getting all emotional perhaps needs to back up a bit and reasses WHY they are feeling as they do.
Am I the only one that can objectively see this?
Response #1
By: Jay
Date: 4/21/98 2:38:54 PM
sorry, but what a load of crap....what about the whites who came as indentured servants and the 19th century immigrants on those packed ships...lots of people died getting here and after they were here of all ethic and cultural backgrounds...saying that blacks are better at sports because of genetics remove them from the social forces that kept blacks marginalized until the 80s....
...what the whole sports thing trivializes is that the proportion of blacks that are now "middle class" is equal to that of whites which has nothing to do with genetics but changes in the educational systems and employment patterns...
Response #2
By: sooz
Date: 4/21/98 11:15:14 PM
I thought the "town hall" meeting was to lament the fact that there's plenty of black folks playing sports, but very few coaching or managing.
Response #3
By: rorschach
Date: 4/22/98 12:50:16 PM
lets see, where to start.... ok I'll start with sooz first....
yes, that was one aspect of the discussion, and yes much of that IS due to fewer chances at education and promotions, never said it wasn't.
now for jay.....
Jay, how does education or lack thereof equate to fewer white guys playing sports? I don't see the connection personally. If a guy has a chance at making a million five a year he's going to try to get that job, I don't care whether he's green, grey, or purple. face it, money talks. now, what criteria are the sports teams going to use to determine who gets said job? it sure as hell ain't the color of the guy's skin. its going to be compentency, period. the games are too competitive for them to favor one ethnicity over another when the ability isn't there. we are talking about a billion dollar industry here, when you are talking about that kind of money, fairness be damned, they are going for as much of the pie as they can get.
Are you trying to say that the slavery experience had absolutely NO effect on the gene pool of blacks? I think you need to reconsider. a slaves life was painful brutal and short. MUCH moreso than the lives of your average anglo, even the indentured ones, they at least weren't shipped accross the atlantic in the bilge of a slave ship, chained to one spot for the 2 months or so that the voyage took. naked, and bleeding, lying in thier own waste. eating thier dead in some instances to survive. and THAT was before they even GOT here!
And you don't think that had a darwinian effect on the gene pool? I beg to differ... not unlike the cold and darkness of the upper lattitudes of my wife's ancestors' home didn't select for pale skin and blue eyes... not unlike the prevalence of malaria in equatorial africa selected for those with sickle cell anemia. darwinian selection does not have to take centuries to occur, it can happen in as little as a generation, or less.
Response #4
By: sooz
Date: 4/23/98 12:30:44 PM
I don't have a clue what the answer is, Ror*, but dang, your posts are a lot easier to read lately. Cool!
Response #5
By: Jay
Date: 4/23/98 2:22:07 PM
I'm too scatterbrained with hayfever today to do a nice response, but here are the basic points I'd make....
a really good look at concepts of survivers and what allows people to survive, how they do it, and what kinds of people survive horrible conditions is Elie Weisel's _Night_
Response #6
By: rorschach
Date: 4/23/98 6:50:13 PM
please explain what you mean by, "no signifigant genetic differences" It is my understanding that virtually any gene that exists in the human race can be found in at least one subgroup in africa (which is a REALLY big place by the way...)in fact it has been stated publicly that the entire human race except for those in africa could be wiped out and the human race could be "rebuilt" from the gene pool that remained and not loose a single gene. (hypothetically speaking I assume...)
I find it extremely hard to believe that the slavery experience did not leave SOME marks on the gene pool. After all, a scrawny kid with a shitty immune system would NOT have survived the crossing. And a guy with a low tolerance for pain probably would not have survived his first beating.
Evolution NEVER goes away... Humans can attempt to control it but more often than not he ends up selecting for a trait that is undesireable. Humans CAN and DO redirect thier own evolution but often unintentionally. By using wars, genocide, welfare, medical treatments, sports, and yes, slavery.
Myself as an example, I have bad eyesight, bad heart, bad teeth, bad allergies, and a screwed up endocrine system, but yet I am alive. why? medical science has allowed me to continue to live and reproduce. The end result? my kid will probably have at least a couple of those problems, and pass them on to HER kids. hopefully, I passed on some useful traits as well, but that remains to be seen....
Bio-mechanics influences EVERYTHING on ALL LEVELS. nothing and nobody exists in a vacuum. It is not the ONLY force brought to bear, and in some instances not even the strongest, but like the weak subatomic force.. it is always there... waiting....
And by the way, I resent being compared with a NAZI merely because I have the intestinal fortitude to contemplate something other than my navel once in a while. The fact that slavery is painful and disquieting to many people should not be a bar to understanding it's effects.
And by the way, yes, it has only been recently that the high salaries have been offered, but it also has only been recently that the white/black ratio of major sports teams has shifted dramatically to blacks. So what does that little tidbit do to your analysis?
Jay, I am not saying that all your points are bullshit, merely that they are NOT the only points around.
remember, the roman catholic church in the 1600's decreed that the study of the human body was outlawed by the church on the grounds that man was not meant to know such things. it set medical science back 200 years..... barring study of a phenomena merely because it is distasteful to someone is a crime against humanity, and I won't tolerate it, ever.
Response #7
By: sooz
Date: 4/24/98 1:24:32 PM
I work in themedical field and have for years. I've never seen, read or heard of a doctor saying "Oh, the patient's black. Therefore, we'll do this." If there were a real genetic difference, doctors would be treating people of different races differently.
There's 2 instances where race have mattered in my work: 1) Sickle cell traits (white people can have it too, did ya know that?) 2) Plastic surgeons trying to work on how sun exposure will effect a patient's scarring potential. Skin tone has a lot to do with that.
Other than that, doctor's don't give a twiddly diddly about race, beecause there just ain't genetic differences.
Response #8
By: rorschach
Date: 4/25/98 1:46:18 PM
again, it depends on what the definition of "signifigant" differences are.
blacks as previously stated have a MUCH higher likelihood to have sickle cell anemia than whites (not the ONLY chance, just a much higher one.) this was evolved because the twisted cellular structure defeats the malaria parasite's attack mechanism. unfortunately it has some rather adverse effects on the OWNER of said cells.....
Blacks have a much higher risk of high blood pressure than whites.
There are many other small things that are more prevalent in blacks than whites (and vice versa.... whites, especially european jews, have a much higher likelihood of getting tay sachs than blacks....again, it is genetics at work.) These are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head, it is by no means an exhaustive list.
There are even studies showing that men and women relate to pain differently, irregardless of race. again evolution at work...
these are not genetic differences? how different does a person's genome have to be to be considered "signifigantly" different? when you consider that our closest relative, the chimpanzee's genome is 99.5%+ the same as ours....
It all boils down to this. There is a large movement in academia to ignore the "nature" side of the "nature vs nurture" equation. Much of it supposedly backed up by a bunch of irrelevent touchy feely bullshit. Sure, nurture has a lot to do with how an individual develops, but you have an underlying genetic vector to deal with too, you can circumvent alot of genetics, but don't ever think it is easy to do.
Response #9
By: sooz
Date: 4/25/98 5:29:00 PM
So, really, we should just say "you're Black, you're better genetically designed for sports and tough labor, 'cuz you're stronger."
"You're of Jewish descent, so you're better qualified for this over here."
"You're a white boy with glasses, so you..."
No, wait. Someone already did this.
Response #10
By: Jay
Date: 4/27/98 9:13:27 AM
I'm on a listing kick
Response #11
By: Da Sissop
Date: 4/27/98 10:22:49 AM
HTML bullets don't kill people, people kill people.
Response #12
By: rorschach
Date: 4/27/98 12:35:45 PM
sooz, jay, you are both missing my point a bit.....
point A) chaos theory states that a small difference in the starting parameters of an equation CAN (not necesarrily WILL, just CAN) have a signifigant effect on the outcome. This is true whether we are talking about weather patterns, quantum mechanics, or genetics.
point B) We all are born with certain genetic predispositions. This, at least for now, is unchangeable. However this does not mean you cannot overcome a predisposition through hard work and practice, just that you have to work at it. Even so, that genetic predisposition is NOT going to go away just because you wish it to. This view is widely held among genetic scientists, however there are few studies on the subject because it IS so controversial. The NSF won't fund that sort of study because so many people will scream eugenics and get the funding killed.
point C) The study of genetic demographics is important, not only to help genetic epidemiologists track genetic mutations, (say from chemical spills, or a mutanogenic virus) but to everyone who may have a family member that has been stricken with a genetic disease (such as breast cancer, and hodgkins disease and others). Unfortunately, again there is one camp that will scream eugenics and another camp that screams that insurance companies and employers will discriminate against those who aren't 100% genetically healthy. There is some truth to the second camp's argument, but there are legal prototypes being floated now to address that problem.
Response #13
By: sooz
Date: 4/27/98 3:09:41 PM
I'm gonna round up all my skinny, nerdy Black friends (I'd get Sammy Davis Jr., too, but I think he's quite dead) and get their opinion on this. 'Specially Joe, who fixes my computer, my husband's computer, and all my husband's synthesizers and keyboards. And he works for Dell, when we let him loose.
Wait'll I tell him he's genetically superior. He's blind in one eye and probably couldn't even jump rope on a dare, but damn, he's smart.
Jay, your lists are very pretty. Make more.
Response #14
By: Jay
Date: 4/28/98 11:07:55 AM
Response #15
By: sooz
Date: 4/28/98 10:46:09 PM
My mother is an indexer for fun and profit, and she thinks it's da bomb. This, from a woman with an exciting masters in library sciences. Whoo hoo, she rocks the house!
Response #16
By: rorschach
Date: 5/2/98 9:29:10 PM
well, sooz, you've made an extremely common error, so don't feel bad.
the study of statistics (including demographics...) is a study of groups, not individuals. It is quite possible that your skinny blind friend's grandparents WERE genetically superior in one way or another, not all the offspring of such a mating will be genetically superior as well, there will be those who inherit all the recesive genes, and those who inherit all the dominant genes, and those that inherit a mix of the two. This is 7th grade biology.
And besides there may be advantageous traits that may not be readily discernable, such as possibly the stubborness to not just give up when life dealt him a crappy hand (say such as blindness...) or perhaps it is his innate cleverness. After all, in a slave society, being crafty enough to get food and water and stay out of trouble may have been a deciding factor.
The points being: A) We are talking abut a gene pool that has been reshuffled at least four times since the time of slavery. This will make it harder to track down how the traits were distributed. the third law of thermodynamics also applies here, "Entropy MUST increase." meaning the longer the time frame after a gene pool altering event, the more muddled the gene pool will become. Traits from other racial groups will get mixed in, medicine will keep genetically "unfit" (for lack of better term) individuals alive long enough to breed and pass the traits on, etc. probably in the not too distant future, there will have been enough hybridization that the population of the planet as a whole will be fairly homogeonus (sp?) then we will have to find some other pretence to hack each other off....
B) A trait that may not be obviously helpful may have been helpful in a subtle way. Sickle cell anemia is a fairly painful and sometimes life threatening disease, but it kept it's owners alive and free of malaria long enough to pass the trait on... nowadays, at least in north america, it is a hinderance, but back then, it was a life saver....
Response #17
By: jaka
Date: 5/6/98 1:23:54 PM
I posted something here.
WebGrun told me I wasn't really me and made it go away.
Sorry.
Response #18
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/6/98 1:45:23 PM
Whuh oh... sorry... were you perhaps idle for more than an hour? Or did you disconnect and reconnect from your ISP?
I really gotta come up with some way so that if the bo-rad asks you to reconfirm who you are ya don't have to start from scratch again... sigh...
Response #19
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/6/98 10:39:10 PM
Yeah Fang, I really do wish you could do that. Maybe a prompt to manually update your pointers when you have finished reading?
Response #20
By: rorschach
Date: 5/10/98 8:13:16 PM
Bubonic plague bequeathed gift of survival to Age of AIDS
By DAVID BROWN
Washington Post
Survivors of the Black Death, which ravaged Europe in the
14th century, apparently bequeathed to their descendants
the ability to resist infection by the AIDS virus, modern
history's most lethal disease.
That is the conclusion of a team of scientists studying a rare
genetic mutation that confers on its carriers protection
against the human immunodeficiency virus, which causes
AIDS.
Although the origin of the mutation is obscure, it appears to
have suddenly become relatively common among white
Europeans about 700 years ago. That increase suggests
something must have occurred about that time to favor
greatly the survival of people carrying the mutation. In fact,
such an event is known to have existed -- the epidemic of
bubonic plague that swept out of Asia and into Europe in
1346.
"The chance of this gene randomly drifting up (to its current
frequency among white Europeans) is unlikely," said
Stephen J. O'Brien, a molecular biologist at the National
Cancer Institute (NCI) who headed the research team. "In
fact, it's impossible. There had to have been something
going on that jacked it up."
The Black Death was one of the cataclysmic events of
recorded history. A bacterial disease spread by rats and
fleas, it killed between one-quarter and one-third of
Europe's population between 1347 and 1350. In some
places (notably Florence, Marseilles and other crowded
cities near the Mediterranean), more than half the
inhabitants are believed to have died.
Several waves of the disease followed the initial one, and
the continent's population did not reach its pre-epidemic
size for 100 years. By then, much of feudalism's distinct
economic features had been crippled or swept away, and
the modern period had begun.
Just as bubonic plague permanently altered the structure of
Western society, so it appears to have altered the genetic
endowment of Westerners, or at least some of them.
The mechanism by which this might have occurred is fairly
straightforward.
All genetic mutations arise by chance. Some are harmful
and disappear quickly because people carrying them die
before they can have children and pass on the mutation.
Some are neutral, neither immediately harmful nor
immediately beneficial. They spread through a population
but never become very common. In general, none is
carried by more than a fraction of 1 percent of a population
at any time.
However, if by chance a neutral mutation carries a hidden
benefit, such as the ability to resist a fatal infection, things
can change dramatically when the infection shows up for
the first time.
People lacking the mutation will have a greater chance of
dying than people carrying it. When the epidemic is over,
the "population frequency" of the mutation will be higher
than before. Perhaps 10 percent to 20 percent of all
people will carry it.
O'Brien and his collaborators believe such a scenario
explains the relative commonness of a mutation called
"CCR5-delta 32."
The mutation occurs in the gene for CCR5, a receptor on
the surface of immune system cells called macrophages.
The AIDS virus uses the CCR5 receptor as a molecular
"docking bay," permitting it to land on, attach to and
ultimately infect the cells.
People devoid of the receptor (a condition that occurs
when someone inherits the mutant gene from both parents)
are essentially immune to HIV infection. People with one
mutant and one normal version have fewer than normal
numbers of CCR5 receptors on their macrophages. They
can be infected with HIV, but if that happens, they tend to
have a longer, more indolent course of the disease than
people with two normal CCR5 genes.
Slightly more than 10 percent of whites of European origin
carry either one or two copies of the mutation. It's most
common among Swedes, among whom 14 percent of
people have it. The mutation becomes less common as one
moves south and east from Northern Europe, declining to
4.5 percent among Greeks and 2 percent among Central
Asians. It is absent in East Asians, Africans and American
Indians.
Like the AIDS virus, the bacterium responsible for bubonic
plague also attacks macrophages. What is currently
unknown is whether the bacterium uses the CCR5 receptor
in doing this.
"We're going to try to put this to the test," said Stanley
Falkow, a microbiologist and plague researcher at Stanford
University.
The paper outlining their hypothesis appears in this month's
American Journal of Human Genetics.
The idea that a mutant gene can confer protection against a
specific infection is not new. The mutation that causes
sickle cell anemia provides people carrying one copy of it
with resistance (but not immunity) to malaria. There is some
evidence that the cystic fibrosis mutation may protect
carriers against typhoid fever.
You see? I'm not crazy....
Response #21
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/11/98 9:56:58 AM
Define "crazy".
Response #22
By: Zipperhead
Date: 5/13/98 6:44:22 PM
Crazy = Da SIS
Response #23
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 5/13/98 11:12:58 PM
Crazy like a FOX.
Response #24
By: sooz
Date: 5/13/98 11:24:49 PM
Or a wolf in sheep's clothing. Say "baaaa", Fang.
Response #25
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/14/98 9:08:46 AM
Humbug!
Response #26
By: rorschach
Date: 5/14/98 12:09:04 PM
OK, so maybe I AM crazy... but at least I'm not to only one that recognizes that the different enviromental factors that individual races have experienced over time has changed those races on a genetic level, in fact it was those same enviromental factors that gave rise to the different races to begin with!
Response #27
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/14/98 9:50:46 PM
How crazy is a fox, and I want to meet the shrink that signed that certificate.
Response #28
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 5/16/98 8:31:08 AM
That's a pretty good thought there, Cap'n. Personally, I want to know why Frued wears womens undergarments... particularly, slips.
Response #29
By: Ralf
Date: 5/17/98 10:04:39 PM
Ror's crazy, but in a lovable, non-threatening way.
Imagine the Unabomer with a pro-technology agenda, but without the bombs.
Response #30
By: rorschach
Date: 5/20/98 12:13:41 PM
hey I got "Da Bomb" right here...... you want chemical, chemical/biological, neutron, thermonuclear or fission?
actually, ralf makes a good point... maybe i should deliver some of these puppies to a few enviromental groups.......
Response #31
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 5/22/98 7:41:28 AM
We had a bomb threat at our building this week.. Had to evacuate the the building for a hour so security and HPD could check it out.. No bomb sniffing dogs though.. No bomb was found, but we enjoyed being out doors for a time... sigh..
Response #32
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/22/98 9:07:43 AM
Ya ever find yourself wondering whether you'd be safer taking your chances with the bomb rather than spending an hour out in the sweltering smoky Houston air?
Response #33
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 5/23/98 6:10:48 AM
Ahhh... but as a smoker.. I just didn't have to light up to get my fix. ;>
Response #34
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/23/98 6:43:17 AM
Hehe.. hey, don't we import a lotta *drugs* from Mexico? What kind of foliage makes up the Mexican rain forest anyway?
Response #35
By: Ralf
Date: 5/24/98 12:47:19 PM
It's a South American conspiracy to "mellow us out".
Or maybe an attempt at just-in-time distribution...?
Response #36
By: Crush the State
Date: 5/28/98 6:27:20 AM
"You're of Jewish descent, so you're better qualified for this oven here."
Change one letter, change a world! This whole genetics thing makes me itch. But not as much as hearing an elderly Judeo-Christian gentleman describe it as a "purpose."
Response #37
By: Jay
Date: 5/28/98 10:20:09 AM
was Flipper a purpose or a dolphin?
Response #38
By: Ralf
Date: 5/28/98 7:48:32 PM
Neither. Bottlenose lesbian.
Response #39
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/30/98 1:15:44 AM
Mmm, sounds like a Pink Snapper!
Response #40
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/2/98 3:11:07 AM
1) Peoples all over the world have been enslaved to various severities... Why are Jews not better athletes, after being enslaved by the Egyptians?
ii) Never mind the jungle foliage in Mexico. Go to the desert and harvest a few peyote buttons.
Response #41
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/4/98 9:20:12 PM
Don't you think peyote should be used for payola?
Response #42
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/5/98 2:15:16 AM
Why do you think I want to get into radio?
Response #43
By: Crush the State
Date: 6/5/98 10:26:12 AM
To get out of the loop of stifled human consciousness... radio opens up far more of the human world to an instant.
I forgot why BBS's were sort of en vogue... that pedantism... it's almost as if they further the hermetic (heh) seal of humanity, to an extreme: confrontation with the abstract literals of one's persona, and that of others.
Response #44
By: Ralf
Date: 6/5/98 7:26:57 PM
Aieee! The bot's POSTING again! Make it stop!!
Response #45
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/5/98 8:28:46 PM
>I forgot why BBS's were sort of en vogue... that pedantism... it's
>almost as if they further the hermetic (heh) seal of humanity, to an
>extreme: confrontation with the abstract literals of one's persona,
>and that of others.
I have absolutley no idea what this means. But I must emphatically disagree. :)
Response #46
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/6/98 12:33:36 PM
You wanted to at one time Homer! I know you did!
Is it just me, or does anyone else want to cancel Crush's subscription to Readers Digest, so he will stop reading the Enrich your Wordpower section?
Response #47
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/6/98 6:38:01 PM
Hey, I *like* big words!
I wanted to be involved in radio, once upon a time...
Response #48
By: rorschach
Date: 6/6/98 10:27:05 PM
don't get me wrong people, I generally have a fairly decent vocabulary and reading comprehension rate... but this guy's blathering is really getting a bit hard to digest. I think it is time for the air gun darts and the prozac.....
Response #49
By: Mycroft
Date: 6/7/98 10:50:59 AM
I am involved in radio. I want to stop. It's boring when you actually have to _DO_ something to make the show interesting. i much preferred to do Mr. Charlie's show where he played all the music and I goofed off.
Response #50
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/7/98 1:31:53 PM
Hey, that's a name I haven't heard for a while. What's up with Mr. Chuck the pope these days? I miss that guy! Gosh, how he an I use to give connie's shit! Ahhh, those were the days!
Response #51
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/7/98 5:14:11 PM
I was once on BabbleThon, and I showed up for a Monster Island Beach Party once.. and that's it.
BabbleThon rooooled! So of course it got canned by those KPFT management jerks.
Response #52
By: Mycroft
Date: 6/10/98 6:04:30 PM
Hey, they're one of the reasons we have a pirate radio station in town. When you have to not only be boring, but be good at politics to have a radio slot, change isn't far behind.
Response #53
By: rorschach
Date: 6/11/98 8:35:10 PM
where on the dial can i find this station?
Response #54
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/13/98 2:45:11 AM
In Houston, KPFT, 90.1.
I haven't heard it in at least a year, so it could be interesting again...
Response #55
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/13/98 9:58:03 PM
I like irate radio better than pirate radio.
The punk rock in me will never die I guess.
Response #56
By: Ralf
Date: 6/14/98 4:38:02 PM
Is Pirate radio still the FCC sin it once was? I mean, do they napalm your house and stuff like they used to?
Response #57
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 6/16/98 6:23:03 PM
Nah, they just put you on the 'Really Big Mailing List'.
Response #58
By: Mycroft
Date: 6/16/98 9:31:12 PM
Uhm, the station has moved recently, for a better broadcasting position. The FCC visited twice, the picture of politness both times. It's kinda weird, but they seem pretty intent on keeping this low-key and mellow. "Yes, you know and I know that what you're doing is illegal. and we both know it's a form of civil disobedience. However, I have a real job to do with the commercial stations out there. Just don't go and start annoying folks." This wasn't said, but it seems to be the general impression left.
Response #59
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/17/98 11:56:04 AM
The consolidation continues:
Two weeks ago, The Planet (102.9) was sucked up by a radio conglomerate and changed to Tejano.
I read in the paper today that it seems The Buzz (107.5) and The Mix (96.5) have both been sold to yet another conglomerate. No news as to whether they'll be changed to Chinese Gospel or Indonesian Talk Radio.
Response #60
By: sooz
Date: 6/17/98 4:53:32 PM
While driving through the Heartland of America (tm) this past week (central/north Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri) and the east coast during the spring, I came upon the discovery that every f-ing town has a "MIX" station, a "CLASSIC ROCK" station and an "OLDIES" station. Except in the midwest, it all sounds like Bob Seger, no matter which category the station claims it's in.
Response #61
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/17/98 5:39:39 PM
Wait...I'm I reding this right. Are you guys saying KPFT moved?
Gosh I hope not. The building it was in had such personality!
And Sooz, ahve you also noticed that these types of statiosnalways invariably occipy the same spots on the dial?
And they try to convince me there are NO conspiracies!
Response #62
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/18/98 6:16:53 AM
KPFT is not the pirate radio station mycroft is talking about.
Response #63
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 6/18/98 9:48:24 PM
Mmmmm... Indonesian talk radio... I can't wait!
Response #64
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/19/98 2:02:01 PM
"Beell Cleenton ees a womanizer and a draft-dodger..."
"Mega-deeetos, Rushi!"
Response #65
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/20/98 1:57:12 AM
I told you I get confused easily!