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By: Fierce Pancake
Date: 5/29/98 2:08:15 PM
# Replies: 82
I just found the reborn Nuns & Orphans, yeah I'm absolutely tickled. Would have been back sooner if I was paying anything remotely like attention to the world around me. It's k-rad cool to see that you are are still around, and this is great because even those of you who were deported are still in touch with this newfangled global network. Since I haven't been around much lately, to jog your memory I used to call the commodore board a lot, and I ran my own that many of you were on: The TwinkieZone & The Darksided Personalities of Vindictive Edibles. About the time those boards cratered I fled town, but I've been back in Houston for a year or so. Anyway, I'm glad Beinfang told me about this finally, as an afterthought, heh.
Response #1
By: Ralf
Date: 5/29/98 6:45:02 PM
Aiieeiieeeee!!!!!
(Girlish shriek of recognition)
TFP! TFP! TFP!
Remember the Curiosity Shop? I had something to do with that.
Response #2
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/30/98 1:32:56 AM
I remember the Shop. I loved that place (sniff) Then that Weasel (TM) that ran it, started whining something about money, and being broke, couldn't afford the phone line, blah, blah, blah!
Then I last heard he had became a llama pimp on the streets of Afganistan, the things that happens to peoples!
Response #3
By: Ralf
Date: 5/31/98 11:01:18 AM
The Shop went away because the guy running it got married and moved to the Heights. THEN he started pimping llamas.
Which, strangely enough, involves some of the same skills...
Response #4
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 5/31/98 11:24:49 AM
"...The shopkeeper and his son were a different matter. I had to beat them to death with their own shoes."
Response #5
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/31/98 5:22:32 PM
So getting married means one must take down their BBS?
Just a side note, if you guys haven't seen Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas. Stop what you are doing and go right now! It is one of the bets movies of the year. Terry Gilliam has done it again!
Response #6
By: sooz
Date: 5/31/98 5:25:56 PM
I was involved in "Terminally Ill", a really early C-64 board. I hung out with the 50K, Call It What You Want and Curiosity shop boys because, well, we were into trading warez, see?
Response #7
By: Fierce Pancake
Date: 6/1/98 10:28:57 AM
Yeah, I used to be on both Terminally Ill and Call It What You Want when I was 12 or 13 and had an even ickier handle. 1200 baud seemed so great, since only a god could read that fast. Weird to think BBSing got to my head when I was at such an impressionable age.
been 10 years since I drew this, how did it go now...
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Response #8
By: Mycroft
Date: 6/1/98 2:17:33 PM
Man this does bring back memories. Unfortunately, not enough of them.
I still vaguely remember my early bbs'ing days. The Sorcerer's realm/ Megazone 23-Ninja High School group... The Elven Lords bbs. (1984, if you can imagine it.) Jack's Place backburner bbs FreeChat (very cool bbs wih 3 modem lines and 6 videotexte lines of usvideotel users.) The apocalypse funhouse. Sp00genet
ahhh, I feel so fucking old. And like such a geek. two-thirds of my life has been spent modeming.
Response #9
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/2/98 2:30:14 AM
Punter Protocol is the fucking wave of the future, man.
Response #10
By: Ralf
Date: 6/4/98 6:07:55 PM
Punter! Yeah!
GERBIL.LZH - Space Gerbilz '87
Download Options, [X]modem [Y]modem [Z]modem [P]unter:
Response #11
By: sooz
Date: 6/5/98 10:23:12 AM
You rool, Ralf.
I really don't know how you people remember all this stuff. I'm doing well to know what I had for breakfast yesterday.
Response #12
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/5/98 9:09:30 PM
You had eggs and toast. I can't really tell you how I know this, but I suppose I *can* say that it's related to ActiveX technology.
Response #13
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 6/7/98 6:37:16 AM
ActiveX technology stopped my snoring, cleared up my complexion, and gives me a great workout in only 30 minutes a day 3 times a week.
Evil Eggplant (I miss my IIe...I have a IIgs in a box someplace around here...)
Response #14
By: Ralf
Date: 6/7/98 9:52:52 AM
And there it should remain for the good of humanity.
Response #15
By: Mycroft
Date: 6/7/98 11:09:32 AM
I still want to finish my refurbished macintosh 512kE. It would be keen.
Response #16
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/7/98 1:09:23 PM
I got an Amiga 2000. Still works, too.
Speaking of which, here's a picture.
bah.
Response #17
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/7/98 1:31:04 PM
Wow... you've got sure got some interesting wallpaper. On the wall behind the PC, I mean.
Response #18
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/7/98 7:59:00 PM
I understand your confusion.
It's not a picture of my Amiga 2000. It's a picture that fits in the thread. Look more closely at the logos on the hardware.
Response #19
By: Jay
Date: 6/7/98 8:37:50 PM
But I like the background...I wanna find that marble for my hot tub...
Response #20
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/7/98 9:18:13 PM
I'm with you Ralf!
I hear some people still have MACS though.
They're giving them away with your 25th carwash up here.
Speaking of...
I was in CompUseless (I know, I'll never learned, and yes they PISSED me off again, but that's another story), and they were actualyl trying to sell a PowerComputing MAC clone. Can you believe? They had a stack of about 4 of them there that they were trying to sell these things for about $3000 a piece. Amazing.
Response #21
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 6/8/98 5:35:23 AM
Ralf: Oh can it! [adopting an exaggeratedly defensive attitude] *I* can play _Standing Stones_ on it AND _Wizardry_...it's even got a dual 5 1/4 floppy drive and a 40M Syquest removable! So there!
[sniff]
Response #22
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 6/13/98 6:46:38 AM
Oooopps... late again as usual..
Pancake man...welcome! Nice to read you again!
Response #23
By: Ralf
Date: 6/14/98 4:55:28 PM
Hi Tess! [Waving furiously]
Wizardry! Giggle. God, I'd forgotten that game.
I remember playing Choplifter on my '64, and being REALLY pissed that the Apple version was cooler.
So... how long does it take to LOAD any of them fabulous games from your [snicker] 5-1/4" floppies, hmmmmmmmm?
Response #24
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 6/16/98 6:32:13 PM
[looking around defensively] you don't 'LOAD' Apple games...you 'BOOT' them...so there!
..oh yea..err...not very long at all, if you're folding laundry.
Response #25
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/17/98 1:28:04 PM
[Insert Obligatory Reference To 8-Bit Computer Emulators Here]
Response #26
By: sooz
Date: 6/17/98 4:56:42 PM
And you play pool and play basketball, but you never "play bowling." You "go bowling". You bowl, throw, shoot in the sport. But you never play.
Response #27
By: Ralf
Date: 6/17/98 9:26:44 PM
The same way you "bowl a few games," never "basket a few balls".
I understand Esperanto is a much less ambiguous language.
Response #28
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 6/18/98 9:52:10 PM
LOAD "*",8,1
Response #29
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/19/98 1:33:34 PM
You don't play darts, either.
You THROW darts.
Or you have a game of darts.
"Take the skinheads bowling, take them bowling"
Response #30
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/19/98 2:06:02 PM
I don't play Quake, either.
I *live* Quake.
Response #31
By: Fierce Pancake
Date: 6/19/98 2:23:59 PM
Last night I dreamt I wanted to lick your knees.
Response #32
By: Ralf
Date: 6/19/98 5:18:09 PM
BABELFISH TRANSLATION COMPLETE:
"Gestern Abend, das ich mich träumte, wollte Ihre Knie lecken."
Response #33
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/20/98 1:59:44 AM
And don't forget...
You can toss your cookies, but you can't tune a fish.
Response #34
By: Ralf
Date: 6/20/98 8:45:28 AM
Ah! That would be "Sie können toss Ihre Plätzchen, aber Sie können nicht einen Fisch justieren."
Response #35
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/21/98 12:05:22 AM
I still say we need a WebNunz Quake II tourney.
Response #36
By: Ralf
Date: 6/22/98 6:32:24 PM
I'll kick your wussy ASCII from here to Frobozz.
Name the time & server.
Response #37
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 6/22/98 9:55:14 PM
Frobozz? Wasn't that the wizard in Zork II? Praise the Powers-That-Be for "The Lost Treasures of Infocom"!
Response #38
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/23/98 9:52:38 AM
Wednesday night. 7pm Central, 8 Eastern, 9 somewhere out in the Atlantic...
The first annual WebNuns XCV Quake II tournament!
You already know the IP address, so what's your excuse?
The server will be running the 3.15 patch, because, well, that's what I've got, and I'm stickin' with it. If you need the version 3.14 to 3.15 patch, I happen to have it here locally, but it won't do ya any good if you're not already up to 3.14. I'd suggest visiting Stomped.com if you need other files.
Umm... is Wednesday night okay?
Response #39
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/23/98 12:57:43 PM
Actually, honestly, truthfully, I'm busy Wednesday.
Oh, and Thursday evening is the Microsoft Windows 98 blowout, er, rollout and there's a tado at the convention center. Free stuff! So, I'm the party pooper.
Fine. Just play without me.
Response #40 Cluck, cluck. See, I KNEW you wuz all talk and no plasma.
:-)
I'll be there, with insanely high ping-times and a target painted on my back. Think of it as the Ralfpocalipse...
Response #41 I already got a shit load of free crap from MS for the 98 blow out, they had the vendor parties today. Was a nice t-shirt though. Response #42 Windows 98....for those without the conviction or fashion sense to blow their own brains out...yet. Response #43 Eek! I've been running the beta since February. Very nice.
Upgraded to the retail version in May. Honestly, no hype: it was the smoothest Microsoft install/upgrade experience I've ever had.
...and when it's all done, you have... Windows.
Response #44 Well, at work, I had (notice the emphasis on HAD) a perfectly good working system. Installed 98 on it, and every single time I shutdown my system, it crashes. So needless to say, I have seen few advantages. Response #45
I'm running the retail version and I've had a few small problems,
but nothing noteworthy. Installation WAS a breeze, though. I'd
like to go out a buy a copy and see if there's a difference in
the version I have and the ACTUAL retail version.
Response #46 Capt: That's not *crashing* at shutdown, it's Microsofts new quick-shutdown *feature*. Response #47 Installing 98 ontop of an existing system is hit or miss -- sometimes it's flawless and othertimes it results in an unstable environment.
On my four PC's I've been very lucky. On every one of them it upgraded 95 without a hitch. I haven't had to format a drive. BUT, my systems were clean and stable to begin with.
A common thing I hear from folks is, "I'm gonna upgrade because my current system locks up." Bad idea. FDISK it first, then install from scratch.
("Or better yet, just FDISK it. Then buy a MacIntosh." <--Preemptive Microsoft slam :-) Response #48 No, FDISK it and then go live in the woods with no electricity.
Response #49 Seen in tech support callcenter,
" How long has it been send you've told someone to:
FDISK, FORMAT, and reinstall?
Well partner, that's just too long!"
Many apologies to the wolf brand chili co. and you. Response #50 I'm running an OEM for our systems. And that's what's frustrating. My system was stable as a rocke before I put 98 on it. I even disbaled the quick shut down option, and it is still crashing. In the past week, I have been abel to narrow this much down. If I bring up my system, and load NOTHING, I can shut it down just fine. If I bring up anything that I need to use in the course of a day to work, and if I even manually close all applications before shutting down it still either crashes with a blue screen (yes, just like the one on TV when they were doing the demo) or hangs on the shut-down screen. Has been most perplexing. Bright side about it is, that I am gonna get a second system sometime next week, so I can play with mine during the day while I'm still working. Sometimes being a guinea pig can be fun! Response #51 slightly different but related subject.....
I am about to upgrade my system to the last version of 95 before they killed it for 98... (I ALWAYS wait until the bugs are pretty much stamped out before I upgrade, as a result I'm ALWAYS 1 generation behind on OS's.... but that way i can learn from everyone elses mistakes....) its an OEM version I aquired for nada.... what is the safest way to put it onto a win 3.11 system without having to nuke the machine and start from scratch? (not sure I have enough empty zip disks on hand to do a full system backup...) Response #52 Well, actually, you can't put an OEM version on a system that already has a OS on it. It's not designed for that. It's an OEM designed for a NEW system that does not have an OS on it. There _IS_ a work around to do for it. If you do into the previous OS directory, and rename the win.com file, it will usually install ok. If you would like to preserve your old os, install 95 to a different dir, and then you should be able to boot to the old OS using the F8 key on start-up, and the previous operating system option. Truthfully though, if you want the least painful way of installing and getting 95 up and running, best thing to do is to format the drive, wipe it clean. Then install 95. You'll be glad you did. Response #53
Ditto.
Response #54 well, i did the workaround nuking win.com and the sys and windows.ini files. win 95 itself installed without a hitch. my problems now are basically that several of my windows programs can't find thier dll's and must be reinstalled, not that big a deal actually, my four biggest problems were:
A: the old genius (or was it SUBgenious?)mouse i've had since before dirtdidn't have a driver file that win95 could deal with... i said fuckit and went out and bought a new logitech and said the hell with it...
B: the goddamed winmodem (i have a few choice words for the fool at US robotics that thought up this abomination...) that refused to install, the original install diskette had a bug in it and would not install, and the old win 3.11 files were still firmly rooted in the registry and the software couldn't erase the old entries before installing the new ones for some lame stupid reason....
C: and the external zip drive that was conflicting with an old dos sound card driver,had to start reming out the lines in autoexec.and config sys til they worked...
D: and netscape and it's flippin mail password.
so far I've solved three out of four. the mail password is still giving me problems, eventually i will solve it too but i may end up loosing my address book in the process so if some of ya never get any more e-mail from me ever again, that's what happened..... Response #55 well, it appears I'm back in the saddle again....so far.... Response #56 As I read this thread, I am simultaneously formatting the hard drive on a friend's laptop (486 DX-50! woo hoo!).
Microsoft's on-screen claims of Windows 95: "Whatever you do will be more fun!"
Does Windows 98 claim this? If not, I'm saving my money.
Response #57
Windows 98 claims, "Work better, Play Better."
Response #58 Hey, look for your address book in the system, it's called address.htm
you can copy it over the old one if you have to reinstall.
Same thing for bookmarks.. Bookmark.htm Response #59 And be sure and copy over all those FILE0001.CHK files! Wouldn't want to lose those cross-linked files... Response #60 no crosslinks so far.... hell, the only burp came when my wife decided to try to logonto the internet before i had a chance of making a cute little desktop shortcut to netscape. she tried the little "Internet" icon from IE4.... needless to say... she got frustrated and flipped the switch before shutting down. thats been the only real hiccup i've had. Response #61 Ror, there's a big problem, esp if you have rev 2 of the abomiitable and evil, evil Winmodem device (if _I_ ever find the bastard that invented this piece of shit, I WILL indeed tie him to the ground over a fireant bed, get a spiked cork screw, stick it in his ass, pluck his asshole out and pour honey into the gaping hole of his anus to provide a fire-ant feast for weeks!)doing a reinstall. Problem is, that if the winmodem finds ANY file from the previous installtion, it will not install the driver files. We have a file at work that in MOST cases, will nuke the current install of the winmodem files and allow the redetect of 95 to search the a: for new drivers, and install properly. I also have a detailed text file on how to remove these files manually if that nuke files deosn't work. If you want either one, just let me know Response #62 Oh for the good old days of DIP switches and jumper settings!
Response #63 I'm still thinking about the fire ants. Response #64 well, spas. if you do find the bastard, gimme a ring first before you start the festivities, I WANNA HELP!!! yes, that is EXACTLY the problem I was having, it was finding the old registry entry and copying it over, it ALSO was trying to set the interupt to Int #4, same as my serial port. so much for PLUG AND PLAY! more like plug and PRAY.... i had to MANUALLY set it BACK to interupt #9 (where I eventually had to set it originally) AND manually edit all my INI and Registy entries to remove the old drivers, THEN i had to plug in my old hayes 14.4 serial modem and fire up procomm to download the new drivers (because the OLD drivers for some reason would not install under the newer versions of win 95...) from a LONG DISTANCE bbs (not even a friggin toll free BBS!) after spending an HOUR on a long distance call to Tech Support.... the way I figure it.... 3COM owes ME money...... Response #65 You should have e-mailed me, I not only have the drivers, I also have US Robotics 888 bbs number. If you ever need to do a reinstall again, let me know. We have the remove utiliy for it on our WEB site from work. Response #66
Yeah, sure. Like he's every gonna do THAT again.
So, do they have fire ants in Georgia? If not, we'll be happy to airmail you some of ours. Response #67 So far, my "Windows 5.0" experiences have not been good, but I don't think the software is to blame.
I've got this old 486-120 that the kids play MAME on about 17 hours per day. All of a sudden like, Putt Putt and Fatty Bear and Big Bird all started complaining of fatal exceptions and other nasties, so I figured it was a good time to reinstall system. I went to Sam's and bought a copy of Win98 (only $87!), and went for it.
Win98 crashed three times, in different places, because of VGA.DRV.
So, since I really needed a Windows 3.1 test machine for my software anyhoo, I whipped that out and installed it just fine. Windows 95 then installs on top of that just fine. Just when I think it's all said and done, Putt Putt and Fatty Bear and everything else begins complaining of other weirdness once again, and now the video is turning flaky.
I figure I've got a video ram chip that's gone south, but a VLB card with an S3 chipset is hardly worth the hassle of troubleshooting, so I'm just going to start again this weekend with an old Trident ISA bus card and see how things fare with that in.
That is, unless you gurus suggest otherwise...
Response #68 ...And a partridge in a pear tree. La, La La!
Response #69 stupid thought but i have seen this before on a 486-100 so its not as if it is totally unheard of.... this machine had a brand new fresh install of win 95 sr/2 OEM after totally nuking the drive. at random times and usually after five minutes or less of merely booting the machine and walking away, the machine would give the blue GPF error screen and hang. no apparent reason.... after a month or more of three different people pounding thier heads against this problem it eventually turned out that the cpu fan on the heatsink was faulty and was only turning at a fraction of the correct RPM. the chip, already being "pushed" by the manufacturer, was overheating and causing strange divide by 0 errors and such. at 120Mhz... i would expect that heat is an even BIGGER factor here..... check to make sure that you have heat sink grease between the heatsink and the chip and that the fan is turning good and fast, if you can't feel pretty good airflow with your hand, it aint working good....... a side note, the heatsinks that these mom and pop computer shops use are SHIT..... get a good AAVID heatsink and fan (they have a heatsink/fan assy that works GREAT....it comes with double sided aluminum filled conductive heat sink tape to stick it to the chip with.... if you call thier application engineer and make noises like you might be interested in buying a few hundred and ask for a sample, they'll send ya one for nada....) Response #70 Too late. I already traded it in for a fat $46, and brought home a new ASUS motherboard with integrated video, and a K6-233, all for a mere $210. That solved my problem, fer sure. Plus, I can now play the ULTIMATE game in MAME: Super Space Invaders '91 (aka "Majestic Twelve"), complete with a CATTLE MUTILATION round! Woo hoo!!!
Response #71 Generally, although MS says otherwise, it's been my experience that 95 OSR2 usually doesn't do too well on a non-PnP bios MB, which most 486's have. Response #72 Ahhh....what I would give to go DOS and 8-BIT once again.. *SIGH* Response #73 what I wouldnt give for a C64 on steroids... say a 64 that could keep up with the new k6's.... Response #74 Intel just announced their plans for the next calendar year.
450 Pentium-II's by Christmas. 700 MHz Xenon chips by next Summer.
Wooo!
Response #75 Xenon? Wasn't that an 80's coin-op arcade game? Response #76 Oh great. I can SEE the next generation of coin-op PCs. Response #77 Actually, Xenon was a pinball machine made by Bally in the early 80's.
A cyber-chick in a sexy voice exclaimed "Try my tube shot!" And the pop-bumpers grunted and moaned each time the ball hit them. It was great when a ball got going between the three of them - sounded like a bad porno movie.
My wife won't let me have one. "We have KIDS in the house!" heh heh
Response #78 See? That's why I wouldn't have a wife. Response #79 sooz... i HATE to break this to ya... you ARE a wife.... Response #80 -----(this is the joke)-----
-----(down here is Rorschach's Head)-----
Response #81 Nod nod nod nod nod. Response #82 I HATE when that happens....
By: Ralf
Date: 6/23/98 6:59:04 PM
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