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By: sooz
Date: 11/24/98 2:09:42 PM
# Replies: 44
So AOL bought Netscape. Now, to browse, I need to support either AOL (barf) or MS (double barf). How's a girl to choose?
Response #1
By: Da Sissop
Date: 11/25/98 2:56:46 PM
Well there *are* some other options, but if you want the bleeding edge of technology, I'm afraid you've gotta kowtow to the emperors.
And incidentally, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to use the word "kowtow."
Response #2
By: rorschach
Date: 12/6/98 4:56:37 PM
tell me about these options.... hell, ME being on the bleeding edge? never.....
Response #3
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/7/98 11:52:04 AM
does anyone know about some hot little browser called opera? it's supposed to be quite the shit to those in the know.
Response #4
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/7/98 12:22:08 PM
I downloaded it and tried it earlier this year. Other than the fact that it's relatively small, in comparison to Netscape & IE, I didn't see any big whoop-de-doo about it.
Response #5
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 12/12/98 3:16:20 PM
I keep tellin' youz guyz... LYNX *IS* the future of internet browsing!
Response #6
By: rorschach
Date: 12/13/98 9:06:00 PM
ok ive heard of Opera and Linx.... pros? cons? ex-cons?
Response #7
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/13/98 11:45:05 PM
Lynx - Pros: Very small footprint Cons: Text only. No pictures. What's the point?
Response #8
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/14/98 5:59:43 AM
Here's a list of downloadable win95 shareware or freeware browsers.
Response #9
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/25/98 3:56:21 AM
Lynx rules. Fang: in my opinion, a web browser *shouldn't* have woop-te-doos that just amount to application bloat. (hmm. there's lint for development; maybe someone should develop metamucil. geek joke. I'm too lazy to delete it) Mozilla will save us. Or else Arena.
Response #10
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/25/98 7:18:16 AM
Bloat or no bloat, once you've got IE4 installed on your Windoze-95-or-Higher PC, you'll never want to use another browser ever again.
IE4 integrates itself into the operating system to such a degree that it has most of the bloat already loaded in RAM... so when you're ready to launch it, you just think of an URL and *POW* you're lookin' at it buddy.
Response #11
By: rorschach
Date: 12/25/98 4:41:47 PM
rather reminds me of the lyrics of "welcome to the machine..." "Where have you been? It's all right, we know just where you've been!"
point made however that IE4 is not that easy to rip it's still beating heart from its chest.... it's siamese twin, you know, the OS, tends to bleed profusely when you do that. the bloat it there already, what we really need is the source code published so that someone can go in there and carve it out without cratering the rest. microsoft's idea of "integrating" the browser is to compile the two libraries together so you can't delete one without deleting the other and that just pisses me OFF!
if I knew programming better i'd download the source for netscape and roll my own....
Response #12
By: sooz
Date: 12/25/98 5:06:53 PM
I used IE first, then switched over to Netscape.
Response #13
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 12/25/98 5:59:48 PM
But I don't WANT my browser to merge into my operating system. That's why I'm putting Netscape on my Solaris box.
BTW! For anyone who wishes that had the power of the Microsoft Office Suite without having to actually install yet another *HUGE MickySoft product on their machine, there is Star Office. A very cool office suite, reads/writes Office 97 files, and it is TOTALLY FREE to download from Star Office. A version is available for Windoze, Solaris, Linux, MAC, and OS/2. I think they may even have a fully Java version too. It's a BIG download, so be ready. But you can also get it on CD for something like $30.
Go forth! Spread the word!
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #14
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/3/99 2:42:15 AM
And, if you go to EPO, they have ClarisWorks Internet Edition for Mac CDs on sale for $5.
Buy Three Today.
(this message submitted for archival purposes)
Response #15
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 1/10/99 8:50:04 AM
So..why is it that when I turn back the hands of time I use the X boxed thingy to get back to Nuns, but when I use the X boxed thingy after trying out one of the blue underlined thingys it logs me off?
Response #16
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/10/99 1:21:47 PM
Because the "Turn Back" link (and the "Edit" link, if you edit a message) opens up a new browser window on top of your original one. Clicking the X-box thingy closes the topmost browser, and then you're dumped back into the original browser window. I assure you, there was a REAL GOOD REASON for this behavior, but I've forgotten what it was.
Most other links just show you the new page in the same browser window, so clicking the X-box thingy doesn't move you back, it shuts down your web browser.
Best ways to tell where you are:
1.) Try your back-arrow button. If it backs you up, then you're fine. If it doesn't, then click the X-box to close the browser.
2.) Take a look at your Windows task bar. If you have multiple Internet Explorers or Netscapes showing up on the task bar, then you can switch to the other instance and see if it looks familiar.
3.) Look for a phrase like "Close this window to return to what you were doing" at the bottom of the page. I was pretty thorough in putting that on all the pages here that open in a new browser window... why? Umm, because this "feature" has been puzzling folks since the dawn of time... :)
Response #17
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/10/99 4:24:06 PM
Ya know... You could do a JavaScript window close button with window.close("HandsOfTimeWindow")...
Just a suggestion. :-)
Response #18
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/10/99 9:23:32 PM
Ok...let me have a try here....
Tess Sez:
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So..why is it that when I turn back the hands of time I use the X boxed thingy to get back to Nuns, but when I use the X boxed
thingy after trying out one of the blue underlined thingys it logs me off?
======================
Because clicking on one of the blue underline thingys takes you to a different realm outside of the Nunnery, and you must use the Back Arrow to go back.
When you click the Turn-Back-The-Hands-of-Time button you are actually opening a second window into a special part of the Nunnery where the Back Arrow has no power (because time travel is a pretty darn complicated thing ya' know). The only way to return is to close the new window by clicking the X boxed thingy, destroying that window and revealing the Nunnery window which was hidden behind it.
Sorc'(Rev) - "Because that's the way the magic works."
Response #19
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/11/99 5:00:34 AM
Just use -5 and don't worry about the hands of time.
:-)
Response #20
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 1/11/99 5:37:45 AM
Cool! Fang.. Sorcy I understand! This is truly amazing since I still don't know how to format a disk, or why they don't come that way in the first place, what someone thinks you are going to use it for something other than storing info off your computer? Or how to install thingys, or how to get around in Lotus Note easily (but I'll play with that one..I just ask people.."Did you get that mail I sent you?" And another thing.. I need a lesson on searching the Internet for things I want and not everything that is out there..Sheeze..and I mean being more specific, instead of receiving 47,568 things to read when you look for one thing..like compost!!
Response #21
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/11/99 7:14:50 AM
But there's a lot of stuff in compost.
Response #22
By: sooz
Date: 1/11/99 1:00:40 PM
Hit "search tips" on your favorite search engine, and it'll help you narrow your searches.
Disks don't come formatted because different folks like to format them, well, differently. If they format 'em for IBM, and my Apple friend buys them, that won't help her much.
Installing software: Usually, if it's a CD, just put it in that thing that looks like a cup holder, and close it. It'll run. Usually.
There. Now I feel like Ror*.
Response #23
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/12/99 2:46:09 AM
Tess Sez:
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that mail I sent you?" And another thing.. I need a lesson on searching the Internet for things I want and not everything that is
out there..Sheeze..and I mean being more specific, instead of receiving 47,568 things to read when you look for one thing..like
compost!!
===========================
Using multiple related terms and "" around phrases is a good start.
Something like:
compost AND roses
This gave me 35, but they all seem to be about compost relating to roses.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #24
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/12/99 12:06:42 PM
+compost +manure +heap -Clinton
Response #25
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/12/99 4:55:28 PM
We compost here at The Outpost. The city will sell you compost bins that you bury half-way underground, and you just dump your organics in there. We actually have two bins and we fill one while the other ROTS, and then vice versa.
Response #26
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 1/12/99 6:34:29 PM
Thank you everyone. Actually compost was just an example. What I really want is money for College. Specifically Baylor, but since I am starting my new rose bed, compost is good too! After I leave here I've got to go to Tea's web thingy and see when and what roses will be in soon. Life..it is good. But this is Texas, give it a minute.. it will change.
Response #27
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/13/99 7:18:49 AM
Have you checked into any books by Matthew Lesko? The guy who wrote "Information USA" and all those other books on how to get free money and stuff from the government as well as cheap loans for odd stuff like starting a rubarb farm?
Just Click Me , type in Lesko and click on the GO button for a look at some.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #28
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 1/13/99 8:18:56 PM
Ewwwwww...Baylor.
Response #29
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/15/99 12:33:05 PM
..and it seems like only yesterday that Fang told them he was the newest New Kid On The Block.
Response #30
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 1/15/99 7:41:32 PM
money for college? have you considered selling Baylor Scout cookies?
Response #31
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/16/99 4:01:13 AM
Ya' know.... I see Stratford High School band members out collecting donations to go on band trips every year in my neighborhood on Dairy Ashford. Just a thought.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #32
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/16/99 9:59:38 AM
Yeah, but c'mon, how much can it cost them to finance a trip to the Dairy Ashford area?
Response #33
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/16/99 11:00:22 AM
Ok...so...there's a small flaw in my plan....
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #34
By: rorschach
Date: 1/23/99 9:18:14 PM
now that i have PARTIALLY brought my web browser back to life after quicken decided to trash my internet stuff..... it really pays not to miss a beat around here....
oh, by the way tess.....
you CAN buy the pre-formatted ones.... but they are crap and you are better off formatting your own anyway. you see, the other ones are "formatted" in these disk duplicating machines that don't actually format a disk so much as copy an already formatted one. so if the particular disk that you buy happened to have had a bad spot on it you won't know about it until you save your multimillion dollar proposal for the client meeting tomorrow on it.... then try to bring it up on the laptop the next day and get a "data error reading drive a:" message..... if you had actually formatted it, the system would have marked that spot as bad and the system wouldn't have tried to save data to it....
ya live...... ya learn......
Response #35
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/2/99 3:39:57 PM
Speaking or browsing...
Ran a cross this neat little deal called Simubrowse. It's a neat little back bone for IE4. It brings up one window for the browser, and instead of opening up complete seperate windows, and cluttering up your taskbar, it open all the different browser indows inside it's control window. Very neat little interface, esp for those of us that work in the industry, and find it necessary to have several different web sites open at a time.
Response #36
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 3/2/99 4:57:13 PM
Personally, I like NeoPlanet. The browser that uses IE4 as a back-bone! RAM-intesive and purty as heck. Although, that may be an erroneous statement, as I have never run heck and do not know how RAM-intensive or asthetically pleasing it may be. None-the-less, NeoPlanet is one goofy browser, and should alter the Netscape/IE war not in the slightest.
Response #37
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/3/99 8:12:52 AM
Yeah, I used Neo-Planet for a bit, it as ok. But Simu-Browse is really something cool. Very nice not having all those enteries on the task bar.
Response #38
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 3/4/99 12:16:11 AM
I think Opera does the same thing, or at least it can.
Myself, I'm awaiting a final release of iCab, which will kick all ass in the Mac market.
Response #39
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/4/99 12:22:36 AM
In the what market? :)
Response #40
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 3/4/99 11:35:44 PM
You know, Steve Jobs, clear plastic, SCSI, not-a-graphical-interface-for-MSDOS?
Response #41
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/4/99 11:59:43 PM
Ah, You mean NT. :)
Response #42
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/5/99 12:02:39 AM
Jobs has really turned Apple around since he took over, and almost overnight too. (Of course the big wad of cash from Uncle Bill helped too.)
If this Mac OS-X keeps the look and feel of NeXT/OpenStep, I *MIGHT* actually have to buy me one o' them G3 thingys.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #43
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 3/5/99 10:22:56 PM
Why?
OS-X is gonna be available on Intel, too.
I'm getting ready to play around with BeOS and Linux and I may see what all the fuss is about QNX/Neutrino.
Response #44
By: rorschach
Date: 3/6/99 2:46:24 PM
QNX/Neutrino is a RTOS (that is Real Time Operating System for those not in the know...) and it is really targeted for embedded applications like intelligent gas pumps that can let you surf the web and look at cool porn pictures while you are filling up your tank, or in-flight web-cams in the first class restrooms and stuff like that......