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By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/12/99 12:13:21 PM
# Replies: 60
Hey! I just realized, I could conceivably maybe possibly vote for Elizabeth Dole for President.
Has anybody heard anything about her that might indicate she's evil?
Response #1
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 1/12/99 1:00:50 PM
She's married to Bob Dole.
ON PURPOSE
Response #2
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/12/99 5:04:40 PM
Well, I guess Bob Dole learned at least one thing from having Bill and Hillary in office: The First Spouse can get in on the action, too. I think it's funny that they'd be the senior-citizen gender-reversal of the Clintons, only they'd want all those goofy Republican things like a bigger defense budget and school vouchers.
Hmm. The Doles are the anti-Clintons. Weerd.
I predict that no more WWII veterans will live in the White House. It'll be scum yuppies from here on out. I'll be glad to see the first pierced president.
Response #3
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/12/99 6:55:49 PM
Da Sissop Sez:
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Hey! I just realized, I could conceivably maybe possibly vote for Elizabeth Dole for President.
Has anybody heard anything about her that might indicate she's evil?
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No dirt at this time. Of course the examination of her garbage cans has only begun.
A few statistic though:
- Studied Political Science at Duke University
- Graduated Harvard Law School
- First job was at the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
- Appointed to President Lyndon Johnson's Committee on Consumer Affairs. Assistant to the committee's chair in writing new laws demanding truth in packaging.
- Appoined deputy director of the White House Office of Consumer Affairs under Richard Nixon. Involved in helping persuade supermarkets to date products for freshness.
- Worked on the Federal Trade Commission, taking a leave of absence to work on the Ford / Dole campaign in '76.
- Returned to her post at the FTC under the Carter adminstration.
- Resigned from the FTC in '79 to help her husband run for President in '80.
- Served on the Regan's cabinet as Secretary of Transportation. Credited with two significant advances in auto safety--a brake light nicknamed the Dole light, and air bags.
- As her husband prepared to enter the 1988 Republican presidential race, she resigned as Transportation Secretary.
- Appointed Secretary of Labor in Bush's original Cabinet She helped push for the first minimum-wage increase in eight years.
- Selected to for the post of President of the Red Cross. Continuing in that post until just a few days ago.
She has never ran for public office before. Some see that a negative, some see it as a plus. OH! She did say some things about Pat Buchanan at a Republican fundraiser. Describing him as an extremist who "appeals to people's fears and anxieties..." only offering solutions that "tend to be polarizing in that they tend to be extreme."
She has also been attacked by some feminists for suspending her own career to help her husband's. She responded that "What we women fought for was the ability to make decisions as to what we feel is best for ourselves and our family."
Dat's all I got right now.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #4
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/12/99 7:52:42 PM
I think brake lights are GREAT!
Okay, she's got my vote. Unless Molly Ivins runs.
Response #5
By: sooz
Date: 1/14/99 12:00:10 PM
Gowan and I have a wager on the 2000 election.
Response #6
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/14/99 1:34:49 PM
What's the wager? If I may ask?
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #7
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 1/15/99 12:11:58 PM
If I win, she has sex with me.
If she wins, I have sex with her.
I figured it was equitable.
Response #8
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/15/99 12:42:29 PM
Ms. Dole doesn't sound so bad as a candidate. However, she has that pesky husband who's run for president so many times *and lost* that it's difficult to keep count. She's never run for office before, and now that Bob can't, she decides it's a good idea?
I hope she gets to be the party candidate, though. Bush, Jr. is eevil, and I like the idea of a Republican woman candidate. Maybe she'll team up with Geraldine Ferraro in the vice prez slot. Heh.
Response #9
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/16/99 1:26:05 AM
I wanna be an intern.
Response #10
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/16/99 3:46:50 AM
Homer Sez:
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*and lost* that it's difficult to keep count. She's never run for office before, and now that Bob can't, she decides it's a good
idea?
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<pedant>
Actually Bob *COULD* run again as there is no Constitutional prohibition on the number of times you can run for office or upper age limit on a presidential candidate. It just that the political odds are not in his favor.
</pedant>
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #11
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/16/99 10:06:45 AM
Elizabeth Dole's first act as president should be to introduce legislation limiting the number of times you can run for president to one less than the number Bob Dole has run.
I think that would be funny.
Response #12
By: sooz
Date: 1/16/99 7:18:32 PM
My bet with Gowan is easy: I say in 2000, George W. Bush will be elected President. Gowan says he won't. A dinner at the Outback Steakhouse in the city where the winner resides (provided that city is either Houston or Austin, and not Topeka or something) hangs in the balance.
Response #13
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/18/99 5:18:36 AM
Does it count if George W. doesn't decide to run this time?
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #14
By: Hijinx
Date: 1/20/99 1:13:58 AM
OK...I joined the work force around the time that minimum wage increase happened...I think that is mighty cool that she helped out a youngster like me! Well, sorta!
And I am damn happy about the freshness dating thing, too!
Liz in 2000!!!
Response #15
By: sooz
Date: 1/20/99 7:50:25 AM
It counts if George doesn't run. If George is Pres, I win. If he's not, Gowan wins. Either way, there's steak involved, so it can't be so bad.
My thought several months back was that George would pick either Mrs. Dole or Kay Baily Hutchison as a running mate.
Response #16
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/20/99 9:29:47 AM
Still a possibility. A Bush / Dole ticket. But candidate have generally paired up runningmates that balance the ticket. Reagan (Conservative) picked Bush (Moderate), Bush (Moderate) picked...*groan*...Quayle (Conservative), Clinton (Moderate) picked Gore (Conservative).
But George W. and Liz are both moderates, though she gains balance points by being a successful careerwoman, publicly respected and liked, and very openly religious.
Bush / Hutchison. I don't see it. Having both runningmates being from Texas makes the ticket too regional. Unless there is a very overwhelming reason to do so one of the unwritten rules of modern presidential politics is to not do this.
We won't know until we see who survives the primary. Who knows, it could be DOLE/BUSH-2000.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #17
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 1/21/99 4:35:39 PM
um, i take it you mean "gore (liberal)"?
it goes without saying, gore has my vote.
Response #18
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/22/99 2:05:11 AM
SOS Sez:
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um, i take it you mean "gore (liberal)"?
it goes without saying, gore has my vote.
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No. Actually Gore's record as a Senator from Tenn. was one of a Conservative Democrat. A "Hawk" on defense and foreign policy matters who supported a number of Reagan's initiatives on those fronts. He came up with one of the better known lines (IMHO) of the '92 Campaign -- "Actually I'm more of a dove, but I'm a well armed dove."
His wife's Tipper Gore's crusade against against "smut" in rock music led her to found the famous PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center), an organization she and her husband still support the last I heard. You may remember the PMRC from the Congressional hearings back in 1985 or so where Frank Zappa and Dee Snider (of Twisted Sister) came to speak on behalf of musicians against the PMRC and what was viewed as moves towards censorship of music. We had the whole stink about creating a rating system for music like we have for movies, some records being banned because of content in a few states, etc....
Anyways...I stand by my original statement. Gore(conservative).
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #19
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/22/99 9:31:17 PM
So, uh, Tipper's politics equals Al's conservatism? :-)
I remember back when Clinton and Gore were first running for office, and all the Democrats were pissed off because they 'had' to vote for Tipper Gore's husband. I think it's nice, though, that we haven't heard much from her during Al's time in office.
Response #20
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 1/22/99 10:25:15 PM
Homer Sez:
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So, uh, Tipper's politics equals Al's conservatism? :-)
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Uh...no, that's not what I said at all. That would kinda' be like "guilt by association", and if I ever reach the point where my reasoning is *THAT* simplistic you have my permission to step on my airhose.
Although Al did *SUPPORT* the PMRC publicly and during the Senate hearings (I can try and dig you up some transcripts if you REALLY need 'em), that alone wouldn't make him a conservative.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #21
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/23/99 6:12:06 PM
Actually, on Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers Of Prevention, there are a few clips of Al saying really stupid stuff.
Response #22
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 1/25/99 11:52:14 AM
ah, a side of gore i didn't know about. in any case, his knowledge of sustainability issues is pretty impressive for a person so high up the political arena. that's why i like him.
Response #23
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/31/99 9:47:43 PM
Gore: Eco-friendly, hawkish on defense, wife was in a rock band, never inhaled, thought "Twisted Sister" was dangerous.
Bush Jr.: Has a famous dad. He hasn't caused the state government to crash and burn, and he hasn't alienated many of his constituents (and personally I have *no* idea where he stands on controversial issues).
Elizabeth: She's a woman, which might be a nice change of pace, considering all the foul male presidents we've had. The First Man would be practically presidential material himself. They have sex with each other, and aren't likely to stray.
Quayle: God I miss this guy! Maybe Veep again?
Response #24
By: sooz
Date: 2/1/99 8:26:36 PM
Stop me if I've mentioned this before (wait, I'm pretty sure I have) but I typed an interview a local magazine did with Gov. George, and he addresses a bunch of controversial issues. I wonder how I could upload it without being illegal?
Response #25
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 2/2/99 7:22:58 PM
One interesting note on George W. I picked up while I was watching C-SPAN the other day. In his last run for Governor he received the endorsement of the DEMOCRATIC Speaker of the Texas House.
Sorc'(Rev)
P.S. Sooz: Please post it!
Response #26
By: Da Sissop
Date: 2/2/99 8:33:01 PM
Yeah, post it, copyright shmopyright.
It doesn't surprise me if he did get democrat endorsements. He seems, to me at least, to be coasting quietly in the job. Not making waves. And he can point back at his records and say, look! Didn't make waves! Wouldn'ta been prudent! :)
Response #27
By: sooz
Date: 2/3/99 6:29:13 PM
I hate the TAAS test. Took my kid out of public school, largely because of TAAS. The problem I have with it (that George W. doesn't seem to realize) is that it ONLY tests English Composition and Math. Yeah, I've posted this before. But teachers aren't required to teach anything that's not on TAAS... they can teach history, science, social studies, art, music, PE, Government, etc. "as time allows." Dandy. We get a bunch of kids that are a whiz at "compare and contrast", but they don't know where Europe is. But by golly, they passed that TAAS!
Also, the pressue on the teachers and students to "succeed" (I'm beginning to hate that word) is horrible. Jimmy was pressured every year... he MUST show up, because he tests so well! It'll ruin EVERYTHING if he gets sick! HE HAS TO BE THERE!!!
I suppose I wouldn't hate TAAS if it were a well-rounded thing.
Response #28
By: sooz
Date: 2/3/99 6:37:06 PM
Ok, here's the interview, in its ugly entirety.
[EDITURZ NOTE: Interview deleted at the request of the poster]
Response #29
By: Lear
Date: 2/3/99 8:21:18 PM
One thing cool about Bush the Younger is his social promotion policy. He believes, as do I, that if a student fails a class/grade he/she/it should not be advanced. I put up w/ too many classmates w/ the reading comprehension of a fresh turd. Other students should be spared. Does anyone remember when school was built around the smart kids?!
Lear(Leer)
Response #30
By: Da Sissop
Date: 2/3/99 9:37:04 PM
Hearty hello, Lear!
Thanks for the Bush piece, sooz. And, speaking as a bleeding-heart liberal, I can honestly say there wasn't much of anything in that text that really pissed me off. Most of it sounded like meaningless buzzwords (his proudest achievement as governor is that his family has been happy? Seriously?), so my reservations are still about the same as they were. He's saying things that his audience wants to hear, and mostly stuff that nobody is going to disagree with anyway ("Hey! Let's CONTINUE to promote illiterate schoolchildren!").
That kinda stuff makes me, er, leery. Oh, he might make a great president, in terms of NOT ALIENATING the right or the left... but essentially he'd just be a warm body in the white house... President Kato Kaelin.
Response #31
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/4/99 12:19:27 AM
bush sez: "Safe havens, [..] things that oftentimes those of us that have got normal lives take for granted"
I sure am glad there are people with NORMAL lives there in Texas...
I'm with fang. He didn't really say much. I *do* think a hit of acid would do him some good, though. :-)
Response #32
By: sooz
Date: 2/4/99 12:50:42 PM
Being someone that leans ever-so-slightly right, I was happy to hear him say we need fewer social hand-outs. I suppose working in the ER for too long has hardened me - people with Medicaid that purposely waited until the free clinic was closed to bring in the baby with the cold, because they get quiecker service in the ER, and they don't have to pay for it either way.
Admissions clerk: "Do you have insurance?"
Patient: "Yep!" (proudly flashes Medicaid card.)
Clerk: "No, no. You misunderstood. Insurance is something YOU pay for. Medicaid is something *I* pay for."
Response #33
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 2/20/99 7:12:55 AM
Ok folks.. Sister of Misery #1 got her official class ranking, she is in the top 10%! She has been accepted at Baylor and UT, and we have bought the prom dress! Sheez.. time passes all to quickly.
Response #34
By: Da Sissop
Date: 2/20/99 8:00:20 AM
Prom snerd! Prom snerd! We could all be chaperones! :)
That is cool... be sure and tell her congrats.
Response #35
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 2/21/99 8:16:17 AM
Thank you.. I think so too. And in other news..we are waiting to see if Formater is going to be laid off or transferred to Dallas. Oh the times they are a change-n.
Response #36
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 2/21/99 2:43:58 PM
DALLAS?!??! Yick!
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #37
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/22/99 3:52:47 AM
Houston, Dallas, same thing.
:-)
Many congradulations to Sister #1!
Response #38
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 2/22/99 12:12:23 PM
i remember when courtney was a tiny tot sitting on your lap in dirty's and watching you guzzle margaritas. and to think, now she's going to fire 'n brimstone baylor!
Response #39
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 2/22/99 7:33:47 PM
Baylor will never know what hit 'em.
:)
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #40
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/25/99 3:08:48 AM
Be sure and tell her to steer clear of the BATF.
Response #41
By: rorschach
Date: 2/25/99 1:53:42 PM
does Formatter work for Halliburton? There's roumor that the company I work for at the moment (already 26% owned by halliburton) is about to be absorbed (or is it adsorbed? I dunno...)by them.
Response #42
By: Da Sissop
Date: 2/25/99 8:56:26 PM
My sis lives in Dallas now, and it's actually *not* that horrific.
*I* wouldn't wanna live there, but I have no problem visiting every so often. :)
Response #43
By: sooz
Date: 2/25/99 10:36:33 PM
Of COURSE you think that. You live in Houston.
Oh, hell, I'm sounding like Homer.
Response #44
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 2/26/99 1:36:29 PM
Oh, c'mon, you've always been just as vocal as Homer about how much you dislike Houston.
Fang: Didn't you have exciting pictures online of your last visit to Dallas in which you encountered Heather the Bartendress?
Response #45
By: Da Sissop
Date: 2/26/99 4:53:10 PM
I did, and they'd probably still turn up in a search for keywords "Dallas" and "Kennedy" and whatever else ya wanna throw in the mix...
Response #46
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/2/99 12:40:14 PM
She's marrried to Bob.
And Houston, it's a nice place to visit...and that's it.
What bar in Dallas? I find myself going up there on occasion lately. Always looking for a good place to go.
Response #47
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 3/3/99 11:58:07 AM
I'm sure you've all seen "rushmore"? It makes houston seem like a pretty cool place to live.
Response #48
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/3/99 1:08:31 PM
Yep, I saw it. It was pretty good. Had some great lines in it.
Response #49
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 3/4/99 8:05:28 AM
Nah, I'd much rather live on the campus of Urban Legend... with all the other beuatiful people. What ever happened to the geeky-looking guys in the teeny-bopper movies? Dammit, where's today's Anthony M. Hall of teeny-bopper flicks?
Response #50
By: Da Sissop
Date: 3/4/99 8:39:19 PM
Yaayy, I beat Gowan to this one! :)
Anthony Michael Hall will soon be seen playing Bill Gates in an upcoming TV movie about the history of Microsoft and Apple.
Response #51
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 3/4/99 11:37:02 PM
Isn't Hall a tad tall and muscular at this point to portray the UberGeek?
Response #52
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/5/99 12:01:22 AM
I don't know, you gotta love the irony of a geek with no career playing a geek with more money than the catholic church!
Response #53
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 3/6/99 9:41:31 AM
Good morning.. Thanks for all the warm wishes! Yes, Kev does work for Dresser/Halliburton. We still have not heard anything on relocating/lay off, but all in good time I'm sure. Just finished prom shopping, making arrangements for next Baylor trip this month, senior picture appointment, and making sure #2 doesn't get left out and feel like #2. Court has applied for over 45 scholarships, so keep your fingers crossed!
Fang...Sorcy..I am truly sorry I missed your Birthday! Perhaps we should do an Ale House Snerd soon! Maybe I can talk some execellent picture opportunities from the surrounding tables? Hmmm?
Response #54
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/6/99 10:00:53 PM
Tess Sez:
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Fang...Sorcy..I am truly sorry I missed your Birthday! Perhaps we should do an Ale House Snerd soon! Maybe I can talk
some execellent picture opportunities from the surrounding tables? Hmmm?
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Hey, yeah! Oh! Did I tell you I'm joining the French Foreign Legion? :)
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #55
By: Da Sissop
Date: 3/7/99 12:27:04 PM
And I'm going to be selling arms to the Contras!
Response #56
By: sooz
Date: 3/7/99 6:23:59 PM
And *I* wanna be an intern.
Response #57
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/8/99 11:33:18 PM
Sooz, I'm accepting interns for a couple of positions I have open. Muhahahhaha.
Response #58
By: sooz
Date: 3/9/99 1:34:15 PM
I heard you sneeze a lot, though.
Response #59
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/10/99 2:31:22 PM
Yeah, I do.
Comes in handy for those times when extra lubrication is needed.
(You know, I can almost feel all of you cringing from here.)
Response #60
By: rorschach
Date: 3/14/99 12:50:53 PM
on the halliburton aquisition thing.... one of the IT people heard a rumour about a article published in Abredeen Scotland (where our parent company is based) about halliburton finally buying the rest of us. they had a friend in Aberdeen fax a copy of the article to our office where it was posted on the offce window if the IT guy for all to read. two days later a memo was circulated from Aberdeen that it was all untrue etc. etc... now a picture from the movie poster for Star Trek First Contact slightly modified by the insertion of the Halliburton logo on the forehead of the Borg is being circulated.... Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated.......