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By: Roxanne
Date: 1/11/00 3:44:30 PM
# Replies: 40
Okay, I finally have enough experience to be dangerous. Anybody willing to be my guru (unpaid, uncompensated, but worshipped and adored) as I fumble around with HTML? I have a myriad of silly, banal questions. I need someone with patience to humor me and pat my head when I finally do good.
Any takers?
Response #1
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 1/11/00 6:06:50 PM
Speaking of HTML, why doesn't BIG work?
Response #2
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/11/00 8:03:37 PM
Okay, okay, I'll be your guru.
Response #3
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/11/00 10:58:45 PM
How do I add a second page to my webpage?
Is there some webpage making for dummies site that you could recommend that would answer my dumb questions?
Response #4
By: Ralf
Date: 1/12/00 11:02:57 AM
Response #5
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/13/00 5:16:21 PM
The Web Design Group!
The World Wide Web Consortium!
Response #6
By: Ralf
Date: 1/14/00 8:30:46 AM
Rule #1: Whatever you do, never ever EVER put one of those cute "Men Working" signs on your site, with the words "Under Construction". Strictly forbidden.
Response #7
By: sooz
Date: 1/14/00 11:38:45 AM
I haven't seen one of those in a while. They were real big about 2 years ago... are people still doing that??
Response #8
By: Da Sissop
Date: 1/14/00 11:57:28 AM
Rule #2: Substance over style. Functionality over flash. Sure, your 800x600 animated gif imagemap may look waycool on your own PC, but if I have to wait 20 minutes for it to download I'm going to hit the STOP button, and if I can't navigate your site without it, well, dammit, I'll just close the browser and play Half-Life.
Response #9
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/14/00 11:25:18 PM
Oh, and how could we forget http://validator.w3.org/, the w3c's HTML validator, for when your HTML needs to feel validated.
Response #10
By: sooz
Date: 1/15/00 3:20:37 PM
Rule #3: Avoid "busy" wallpaper. It may be cute, but it's hard to read text on top of it.
Response #11
By: Ralf
Date: 1/16/00 12:49:05 PM
Rule #4: Avoid the little "Best with {Internet Explorer|Netscape}" icons at the bottom of your page. All the browsers pretty much do everything nowadays. And it only serves to piss off the visitors who aren't using the "preferred" browser.
Response #12
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/16/00 8:16:48 PM
Indeed...
"Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web, when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another computer, another word processor, or another network."
-Tim Berners-Lee in Technology Review, July 1996
Response #13
By: Fungus Amongus
Date: 1/16/00 8:28:39 PM
Well, it's just multiculturalism on the browser front.
Response #14
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/18/00 9:57:46 PM
Cool! Thanks for all the input/tips/sites/etc. I fully concur with all that you have shared. I am hoping to have substance over style; no "under construction" crap and no browser bias.
Anything else?
Response #15
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/22/00 11:09:05 PM
This place is like a morgue. Where is everybody?
Well, I put some new pictures of my cat(s) up on my webpage, if anybody cares. My worthless webpage is at http://mama_cat.tripod.com
Still can't figure out how to add a page, though.
This is creepy, being alone at the Nunz....
Response #16
By: sooz
Date: 1/23/00 10:24:05 AM
You just make another page, then make a link that people can click on from the first page to get to it. Does your software have help for making a link?
Response #17
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/23/00 10:51:25 PM
Uhhh..no. I am at tripod and it presumes you know what the heck you're doing. I am just winging it, pretty much. I haven't the first clue what to do to make a link to somewhere else...
Response #18
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 1/24/00 8:13:28 AM
Well, it's been a while since I was last on - as such, I'm responding to dated comments that will force everyone to hit the -5 link. Mwah ha ha! :)Actually, I do see a need for those "Best viewed with IE/Netscape" buttons occasionally. Especially when it comes to client-side scripting methods, like javascript. Sure, IE & Netscape can handle them, but then you get those feebs who run browsers like Opera or Tango and you'll have to hear them complaining that your site keeps crashing their browsers. To which my response has always been, "Have you considered catching up with the rest of the world?"
Sure, Netscape and IE are pretty compatible nowadays, but there are still other, minor, browsers out there that dictate the need for those annoying little icons.
Sidenote: Although my page does rely heavily on javascript, frames, table backgrounds, etc. I have no such annoying icons on my page. But that's because I feel they take away from the ambiance. :)
Touched by an Impudite, is the page in question, for those curious.
Response #19
By: Ralf
Date: 1/24/00 11:40:02 AM
Great cat pix, Rox!
The chief argument I've heard against the "under construction" icons is that web pages are always under construction, i.e. always changing, always being updated. Thus "under construction" just belabors the obvious.
I may be an idiot, but I thought if a web browser couldn't understand Javascript or VBScript, it just ignored the offending tags. The page may not display properly, but it wouldn't cause a meltdown.
Am I wrong?
Response #20
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/24/00 8:48:45 PM
Thanks, Ralf. I actually figgered out the "page" thingy late last night! So soon, I'll have more cat pix. And seriously, can a website really have too many cat pix?
Response #21
By: sooz
Date: 1/24/00 10:03:59 PM
I love your cat pix! You've got me considering fluffy.com, or some such, for my brainless Wonder Persian.
I'll look at your page after a bit, Spritely one!
Response #22
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/25/00 6:52:07 PM
Shadow Sprite mentions: "Sure, Netscape and IE are pretty compatible nowadays, but there are still other, minor, browsers out there that dictate the need for those annoying little icons."
You mean other, minor browsers like *search engines*?
The fact is NC/NN and IE aren't compatible, and that's exactly how it should be; different web browsers serve different users differently. No one should make HTML specific to either of them; page authors should make standard HTML and hope and pray that Netscape and Microsoft live up to the challenge (which neither has done very well at all).
Having a badge on your web page which says "Best Viewed With..." actually means "This site authored by someone who a) doesn't understand the web, and b) thinks crippled software is a good idea."
That said, however, I'm all for making iCab smile. :-)
Response #23
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/26/00 11:57:12 PM
sooz: If you'd like to have your kitty be a featured guest, send a pic with bio and I'll put it up!
Response #24
By: Ralf
Date: 1/27/00 7:22:47 AM
Can I send you pix of Oscar, my weinerdog? He was raised with cats and THINKS he is one.
Response #25
By: sooz
Date: 1/27/00 9:24:39 AM
The weiner dog is cool. I have a picture of him trying to fly.
Response #26
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 1/27/00 12:34:01 PM
He *CAN* fly, damnit! All you have to do is believe!
Response #27
By: Ralf
Date: 1/28/00 7:49:05 AM
Short duration only, alas.
But he does have springs in his feet. Leaping up onto the back of a sofa or from sofa to chair is never a problem for this fierce li'l Tigger/Dachsund cross-breed.
Response #28
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/28/00 3:12:21 PM
Ralf: Sure! We are not bigots! I would love to see your weiner..er..dog! Send a bio too!
Response #29
By: Ralf
Date: 1/30/00 8:45:46 AM
Pix a-comin your way!
Response #30
By: Ralf
Date: 1/31/00 7:44:44 AM
Apologies in advance for the filesize -- about a megabyte of email. It was rude of me to send such a large package without warning you first.
I sent a selection of pix -- pick'n'choose what you like, or use none at all.
Response #31
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 1/31/00 9:50:21 AM
Homer the Brave commented: "That said, however, I'm all for making iCab smile. :-)"
Interesting program, or so it seems. Anything like that that will run on an NT Server?
Response #32
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/31/00 11:06:59 AM
Ohhh! Thanks Ralf! I was wondering who the hell was trying to crash my mail server! :) Didja send a bio, too? I'd like to give credit where credit is due!
This is exciting. Am I officially a "web-mistress" yet?
Response #33
By: sooz
Date: 1/31/00 5:11:58 PM
Roxy, you can be the mistress of anything you want. :-)
Response #34
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/31/00 6:16:03 PM
Mistress Roxanne... Ooo.
re: iCab. iCab's a web browser that runs on Macs. There are more than a few HTML validators, some of which probably run under NT (though, to look at the HTML output of FrontPage, it wouldn't seem that that's the case). The most universally-used validator is the Web Consortium's one.
Remember to declare your DOCTYPE. :-)
And again, Mistress Roxanne. Ooo.
Response #35
By: Roxanne
Date: 2/1/00 9:53:22 PM
Okay, my first order to all of you miserable submissives, is to lick my boots clean and then go to my website and see pictures of Ralf's floor-bound family members!
WebMistress Roxanne has spoken! *whip crack*
Response #36
By: Roxanne
Date: 2/2/00 11:21:14 AM
Here's a question:
How do you put in the "mouse over" message? Like when you put the mouse pointer on a picture that's hyperlinked and you want the little yellow box to appear with some descriptive info in it. How do ya do that?
Guess I still don't know enough to be a real webmistress....sniff
Response #37
By: Da Sissop
Date: 2/2/00 11:39:54 AM
Well IE and Nutscrape 4.0 or better will do the popup for ya automatically if your IMG tag has an ALT attribute in it... fer example:
<IMG SRC="mypic.jpg" ALT="This picture ROCKS!!1!">
..."This picture "ROCKS!!1!" would pop up when ya moused over the image.
History lesson: the ALT tag was never intended to be used specifically as a popup message, nor is it guaranteed to behave that way in every browser. It's intended to be a text description of what the image is, for those folks who might be using a text-only browser or who have image display turned off.
Response #38
By: sooz
Date: 2/2/00 9:18:47 PM
I think she's talking about mouseovers where the entire image changes when you put your mouse on it... rather than the text that shows up with the pointer.
Of course, I don't know how to do cool mouse overs... but there's some on our web page, at www.richiel.com. All the buttons on the side are mouse overs, and feel free to grab the html code if'n ya wanna see if any of it makes sense.
Response #39
By: Roxanne
Date: 2/3/00 4:52:06 PM
Thanks, sooz, but actually I was talking about the descriptive mouse-overs Fang described. Now I have something new to practice! :)
I will go look at the sooz mouse-over experience and see if I can figure that one out too. Maybe do a trick where I turn a cat into a dog or something.
Mercy buckets!
Response #40
By: sooz
Date: 2/3/00 6:17:20 PM
Aw, geez. Just when I thought I knew more than fang. Dang.
Our mouse-overs don't do much... only change the color of the text. But there's cooler ones than ours out there...