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By: rorschach
Date: 10/15/98 7:32:58 PM
# Replies: 24
ok guys, this problem is probably my own damned fault for running an old version of the software. but even so, it USED to work relatively reliably. used to I could right click on an image or a file either in an email or on the usenet or in the browser and netscape would bring up a menu that allowed me to save the file to my local machine. however, recently (VERY recently) it will bring up the menu but when I click on save as.... the menu goes away and its as if i didn't click on it at all, no filename/path dialog box appears. it is netscape 3.01 gold for 16 bit windows running on OSR/2 win 95 and trumpet winsock for the winsock layer. any ideas?
Response #1
By: Da Sissop
Date: 10/15/98 7:47:54 PM
Have you tried rebooting?
Response #2
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 10/17/98 11:06:32 AM
or disciplining your mouse?
Response #3
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 10/17/98 9:07:23 PM
The file you want is probably in your cache directory if you really really need it. You'd just have to dig around through those randomly-named files and find the one you need.
Response #4
By: rorschach
Date: 10/17/98 9:24:01 PM
yes I DO really Really need it.... ones a dwg file I'm supposed to work on....
Response #5
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/17/98 11:32:46 PM
Okay, well, we're not supposed to ask, but why the hell are you running a really old 16bit version of Netscape?
In other news, sounds to me like your alt or ctrl key is sticking.
If you got IE, try using it.
Download a new version of Netscape.
If you're worried about size, there are some smaller browsers out there too which are fairly full featured.
Response #6
By: Ralf
Date: 10/18/98 12:19:11 PM
Blow away your cache, then try again.
Response #7
By: Da Sissop
Date: 10/18/98 4:49:44 PM
Uninstall and reinstall Netscape. Preferably the 32-bit one.
Response #8
By: Ralf
Date: 10/19/98 7:25:47 AM
Install IE4.0 and watch the deathmatch as two natural enemies fight for supremacy of your harddrive.
("Internet Explorer is no longer your default web browser. Launch missiles now?")
Response #9
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 10/19/98 5:11:27 PM
So I installed IE4.01 on my Mac. I tried to perform a custom install (rather than just mindlessly clicking on 'easy install'), because I didn't want Oversight Express, and I didn't want it to install another copy of Internet Config (the coolest Mac net thing in existence).
Like a good little user, I clicked on the things I wanted and made their little check boxes have 'x's in them, and didn't click on the things I didn't want, so there would be no 'x' in their check boxes.
Not only did the installer NOT install the web fonts as I specifically requested, it DID install Internet Config. But the best part is that it forgot to install the IE splash screen. When I would run it, a black box would appear on the screen for a while, where the splash screen should have been, and then the browser window would open.
It was embarassed, I think.
A 'custom remove' and subsequent 'easy install' (which involved figuring out where it installed the extraneous crap so I could delete it) fixed the problem.
I think the people who write the installers for software should be the highest-paid employees at the software company.
Response #10
By: Ralf
Date: 10/20/98 9:12:47 AM
I bought Installshield Express 2.0 for that reason. $199 for something it would take MONTHS to do wrong.
Response #11
By: sooz
Date: 10/21/98 10:58:25 AM
Ok, so I'm not as savvy as y'all in this department. But Homer, by marking "X" in the boxes, were you actually telling it that these were the things you DIDN'T want installed? Did you, like, read the directions above the box first, or am I being way too simplistic?
Response #12
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 10/24/98 3:32:27 PM
I read the directions.
:-)
Response #13
By: Da Sissop
Date: 10/25/98 9:47:50 AM
Maybe you were supposed to put "Y"s in the boxes.
Response #14
By: Ralf
Date: 10/25/98 1:11:43 PM
Maybe you have a touch screen. Have you tried that?
Response #15
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 10/27/98 1:17:24 AM
I have a touch screen, yes. It's very nice. It has nothing to do with my computer, tho.
I go touch the touch screen now.
Oh, that was very nice touching the touch screen.
Response #16
By: rorschach
Date: 10/27/98 6:26:08 PM
reasons for running 16bit netscape.... well primarily its that I am afraid to fuck with the email client because i don't want to have to loose my imbedded email password, not sure if netscape will intelligently carry the info over or not and unless someone assures me it will I am not gonna fart with it, it has worked fine until recently and I dislike having to rebuild something that i don't have to. same goes with dumping trumpet and using dial up networking. i had to have it originally because the winsock layer i was running back during the win 3.11 days was a shiva dialer and it would not talk to my winmodem at all, so i PAID for trumpet. now i got all my ppp passwords and ID's in it and can't figure out how to get em out.... so i keep running it even tho my liveupdate stuff and ActiveX don't work with it... IE4 is OUT! I HATE it I HATE microsoft and i ain't givin bill the time of day much less the pleasure of running his internet "push" client, i mean browser.....( when DR DOS came out i was an early adopter until i discovered all the things that don't like it...)
Response #17
By: Ralf
Date: 10/28/98 8:24:30 AM
Ror, it's a shame, but admit it: you're a prisoner of 16-bit technology. Letting old software push you around is intolerable!
Export your email file to something Netscape 4.0 can import, upgrade to Communicator (or whatever non-MS product you favor) and set up a new password you can remember. Import your email. Ta da!
Next, contact your ISP and have them reset your passwords to something new you can remember. You'll probably have to give them a DNA sample to prove you're the legitimate account holder, but that's a GOOD thing. People lose passwords all the time -- they have a standard protocol for dealing with it. Take advantage of the service agreement you're paying them for.
Windows95 (or even WFW 3.11, with the TCP/IP stack add-on) has built-in TCP/IP support. Retire trumpet for good; you got your money's worth out of it four years ago. The performance improvement you see once you upgrade to an OS with built-in TCP/IP will be startling. Also, Win95 will automatically recognize your WinModem and configure itself for you. No hassle there.
It's easy to feel trapped. I once lost 150 megabytes of accumulated email because I couldn't remember the password. But the bottom line is: don't feel like you're STUCK running old software! If you said you LIKED 16-bit Netscape, that's one thing. But these problems you're experiencing can be easily resolved with little or no money, and just a few phone calls.
DO IT!
Response #18
By: rorschach
Date: 10/31/98 12:52:53 PM
i dunno, i don't DISLIKE my software... it actualy ain't bad, but i do admit it is getting harder to find plugins for it. i probably will break down and do some brain surgery here in the near future. if i disappear for a while it may just be that i can't connect to my isp anymore....
Response #19
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/2/98 6:32:06 PM
We're with you, ror*. just breathe deeply and try to forget that you'll be making Bill Gates richer.
Oh, btw, I found out an interesting (well, maybe not) bit of tid about Mr. Gates....
In 1966, 11-year-old Bill Gates won a dinner at the Space Needle restaurant offered by his pastor. Gates had memorized chapters 5, 6 and 7 of the Gospel of Matthew, better known as the Sermon on the Mount, and recited them flawlessly. (In case you didnt know, Gates is now chairman of Microsoft.)
This from the Space Needle Web Site
Response #20
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 11/2/98 10:00:57 PM
How exactly is he getting richer for installing a FREE browser?
Response #21
By: Da Sissop
Date: 11/3/98 6:45:12 AM
He meant *spiritually* richer.
Response #22
By: rorschach
Date: 11/5/98 11:36:49 PM
interestingly, it has started working again all on it's own.... i think my machine is possesed!
Response #23
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/8/98 4:08:12 AM
Oh... they WANT you to think it's free... Really they do.
Speaking of which, the new Communicator has a 'feature' whereby the browser will tell some server at Netscape exactly what URLs you're looking at, then do a search for related pages. It also has a feature whereby every time Communicator crashes, it sends a report on your entire system to Netscape.
That's a lot of nice juicy data...
Response #24
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 11/9/98 11:27:57 AM
You have to click a button to get it to do the "related sites" thing. It's partially meant as a demonstration of XML. Or so I hear.
The crash thing I hadn't heard about probably because Netscape hasn't crashed on me.