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By: WitchHazel
Date: 11/26/01 4:55:30 PM
# Replies: 90
To sum up some of our recent conversations, I would like to take a new poll.
Would you rather...
A) Eat a whole jar of mayonnaise in one sitting?
B) Accidently shave off your nipple, alla Roxanne-style?
C) Walk over hot coals with your co-workers and burn your feet?
D) Join the Church of Scientology?
E) Sit through the movie "AI"?
Response #1
By: WitchHazel
Date: 11/26/01 4:57:36 PM
Okay, I meant to put this somewhere else, but it's under BLERP, so live with it!
Response #2
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/26/01 9:30:29 PM
Simple: watch 'AI.' At least I could go to sleep and avoid the horror.
Response #3
By: bob
Date: 11/27/01 12:07:12 AM
i have to go with homer on that one. i have not seen it, and i have heard so many conflicting reviews on it, i admit i am curious.
Response #4
By: WitchHazel
Date: 11/27/01 8:54:22 AM
You guys are boring.
Response #5
By: bob
Date: 11/27/01 9:06:39 AM
sorry, of course, i don't see your exciting answer here
Response #6
By: sooz
Date: 11/27/01 11:34:33 AM
E is the only thing that doesn't sound painful. But I like the survey.
Response #7
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/27/01 2:15:42 PM
Now, if there were conditions, like say if you watched AI you had to eat a jar of mayonnaise, it'd be different.
Response #8
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 11/27/01 7:25:53 PM
I'd join the Church of Scientology.
It's shrouded in mysteries and secrets that I'd become privy to and that I could then sell to the highest bidder to keep paying off the Scientologists. It's GENIUS!
Of course, that's the same reason I wanna be POTUS, too. Get all the secrets and let'em fly!
Response #9
By: Da Sissop
Date: 11/27/01 8:07:56 PM
I dunno, I'd kinda like to shave off my nipple.
Response #10
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 11/28/01 6:36:29 AM
i think i'd rather shave off roxanne's nipple.
Response #11
By: WitchHazel
Date: 11/28/01 8:27:24 AM
See, #5 was WAY too obvious. I thought you would go for something more intriguing, just to throw us off!
Personally, I'd join Scientology to spy with Gowan. My second choice is walking over hot coals -- at least I'd get workers comp!
Response #12
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 11/28/01 12:09:13 PM
by the way, did i miss a thread regarding the eating of a whole jar of mayonaise? i feel i might have had something to contribute to that conversation.
Response #13
By: Roxanne
Date: 11/28/01 1:25:42 PM
Ahem, I didn't shave *off* my nipple. I just shaved it and some of the skin came off. I still have both nips!
I'd join the Church of Scientology. And then do a bunch of shit to get kicked out.
Response #14
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/29/01 1:44:28 AM
SoS, I thought you hung on my every word! I mentioned somewhere that one time the lead singer of Three Day Stubble ate a whole jar of mayonnaise on stage.
Response #15
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 11/29/01 7:24:11 AM
homer, i found the message! thank the sissop for search engines.
Response #16
By: WitchHazel
Date: 11/30/01 6:51:59 PM
Ah, so Roxy just took off the top nipple layer. Do you find one nipple gets perkier than the other now? (WHAT?!? I'm just ASKING!)
Response #17
By: Roxanne
Date: 11/30/01 8:26:35 PM
Good question, Witchy! I'll have to get out a stop-watch the next time a cold front moves through and see how long it takes for each nip to "get perky"!
Response #18
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/2/01 5:55:27 PM
Well, don't wait TOO long, as there isn't any cold front coming in anytime soon. ;-)
Response #19
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/2/01 6:30:31 PM
I guess I could stand in front of the open freezer for awhile.
Response #20
By: bob
Date: 12/4/01 3:17:21 PM
i am sorry to hear that is the only hope you have. if you need some help in this sceintific study let me know.
Response #21
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/4/01 4:55:39 PM
Yeah, have Bob blow on 'em.
Response #22
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/5/01 5:58:36 AM
witch, i think i should perform the experiment as well, as a control. can you help me?
Response #23
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/5/01 8:40:42 AM
Okay Roxy, we'll have Bob on one side and SoS on the other. We'll see which one gets hard FIRST. (There must be a prize for the winner in here SOMEwhere...hmmmm...)
Response #24
By: bob
Date: 12/5/01 10:36:08 AM
i am hard already, what do i win? hahahaha
Response #25
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/5/01 11:13:55 AM
You get a slap on the wrist, is what you get!
You're not playing by the rules, Bob. Go back two spaces.
Response #26
By: bob
Date: 12/5/01 2:23:57 PM
damn, sos is two spaces behind me. that is no fun
Response #27
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/5/01 2:48:24 PM
Oddly enough, this very thread seems to be having the desired effect on my nips! ;)
You know the really pathetic part of all this? I can't remember which nip it was! I think it was the right one, but I can't be sure...guess it was a traumatic experience I'm trying to forget...
Response #28
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/6/01 6:47:38 AM
bob, go ahead two spaces. you have my permission.
hey roxy, i'm glad you're getting over your tragedy. soon it will be out of your head just like my circumcision.
Response #29
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/6/01 8:54:36 AM
Ouch.
Response #30
By: rorschach
Date: 12/6/01 11:16:28 AM
no kidding! and to think people do this to defenseless infants without even consulting them first!
Response #31
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/6/01 12:47:02 PM
Hey man, the infant isn't totally innocent here. It pushed it's whole body out of it's mother. I'd say THAT was more painful than a circumcision. It got the better end of the deal, let me just tell you.
;-)
Response #32
By: rorschach
Date: 12/7/01 11:14:29 AM
but it wasn't like the kid CHOSE to do that.... you have to admit the mother likely had some say in the process..... and why aren't female infants similarly punished then?
Response #33
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/7/01 11:37:19 AM
Er, well, you have a point there, Sir. (In some countries, girls ARE circumsized.)
Response #34
By: sooz
Date: 12/8/01 10:19:21 AM
Yep. It's a rite of passage in some countries.
15 years ago (when Jimmy was born), I researched the heck out of circumcision. Then, it was about 50/50 between people that did it and people that didn't. It's not just automatically done anymore.
Response #35
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/9/01 5:54:13 PM
My first husband was not circumcised when I met him. However, he was when I divorced him. (And that's the goll dang truth!) ;-)
Even adults can get it done. But I'm not sayin' it doesn't hurt like #$&%! I witnessed some SERIOUS stiches. And a major long dry spell.
Response #36
By: rorschach
Date: 12/10/01 10:38:40 AM
if it's an adult making the choice, hell he can have the whole damned thing lopped of if he/she so chooses.....I don't give a rip.... but removing some of the most sensitive tissue on a male's anatomy merely for the sake of aesthetics without said male being able to form or express an opinion about it one way or the other seems barbaric to me... (speaking from the "cut" side of the street you understand....)especially since it is usually a female that is allowed to make said choice. My wife and I have had several "discussions" on this point when she was pregnant, luckily I've never had to kill the surgeon to protect my son from the blade (I have no sons so far....) but I would if it were to come to pass that I did. (she seems to like the "cut" look.... I keep offering to do the same for her and for some reason she always declines..... I wonder why....)
Response #37
By: bob
Date: 12/10/01 10:58:22 AM
ok, first of all it is a little scary that a mother would be going for aesthetics on her own son's genetals.
secondly, am i the only guy that is not bitter about having this done without my consent. it was gone before i knew it was there, i don't remember any pain from it...what is the big deal?
Response #38
By: sooz
Date: 12/10/01 11:28:26 AM
Ror, I'm pretty certain you won't have to resort to killing anyone. You have to give consent for a surgeon to circumcize your son. It's an elective procedure.
Soome parents think it's a good idea because it helps boys with hygiene. For some, it's tradition, one way or another.
But for everyone, it's their own personal choice, and not really anyone's damned business. IMO.
Response #39
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/10/01 12:17:06 PM
i have had the fortune (?) to have been born to a pediatrician mother. she has let me witness her work in this regard, and let me say that I have never heard such high frequency pitches coming out of the male sex as when she used the wire kit.
Response #40
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/10/01 1:11:19 PM
Wire kit? Ouch.
Well, let me add MY two cents. Even though I'm not a male, I have had, um, er, well, EXPOSURE to guys on both sides of the street and I have an opinion on the matter.
First, I like the circumsized LOOK. It just LOOKS nice. Second, I like the circumsized FEEL. (Come on, we're all adults here!) Being circumsized adds some "curves" to it. This is a VERY GOOD THING (for the woman). Third (for the man), according to my ex-husband, sex is WAY BETTER after being cut. (Not a little bit better. WAY better, he says.) Apparently, there isn't all that extra skin getting in the way. (I trust his opinion more than my own. What do *I* know?) Lastly, being cut results in less irritation (it's more hygenic than having the loose skin hanging over the top). It washes easier than washing extra folds of skin.
If I had a male baby, the baby would be cut. Like SoS said, you don't even remember it. My ex-husband (obviously an ADULT) only had minor pain for a couple of hours. He had stitches and other "discomforts" for quite a while, but he was actually back at work later that day! And just think, babies heal much faster and they forget such events. And it can't be any WORSE than a vasectomy, really. I know it SOUNDS awful, but there really is a POINT to it all.
Just my two (or three) cents.
Response #41
By: bob
Date: 12/10/01 2:11:06 PM
wow, we got three cents for the price of two.
Response #42
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/10/01 2:26:38 PM
The hygiene argument is bunk. I mean, you don't cut off your lips so you can do a better job of brushing your teeth, do you?
BTW, I have a whole story about meeting the woman who runs NOCIRC. I met a woman in Berkeley who was an anthropologist studying body modification, who had interned for the woman who runs NOCIRC. She had some business to take care of with her, so we went across the bay to San Anselmo in her little Celica. Rush Limbaugh had recently mentioned NOCIRC on the air, and said, "What kind of man would run a group like NOCIRC?" So there was plenty of angst about that.
The punchline is that my friend had pierced her tongue since interning there, and made sure to remove the stud before going to visit NOCIRC HQ. "If she sees that I've pierced my tongue, she'll go into hysterics," she explained.
Response #43
By: sooz
Date: 12/10/01 2:45:30 PM
I listened to so many arguments on both sides of the fence for the nine months I was pregnant... there's totally valid reasons on both sides.
Response #44
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/10/01 3:07:25 PM
Lips aren't the same as thinner, wrinkly, loose skin. That's not a valid argument at all, in my opinion. Besides, the genitals are clothed, unlike the lips. Lips get fresh air. Genitals live in a clothed, warm environment where bacteria is more likely to grow. (Unless, of course, you are typically pantsless, like some people around here...)
The main thing is that it is cultural. Western culture just did it to most babies for eons. There must have been valid reasons WHY. And if popular culture is changing it back, it wouldn't surprise me.
I can only tell you that according to my husband (who was an adult before and after, and lived to talk about it), it's much better. And, from a female perspective, it's better, as well. So, if you're looking at the sex part of the genitals (and not just something you use to pee with), then I would argue that it increases sexual stimulation. And frankly, I would want my baby to grow up stimulated. (Okay, that sounds wrong. Er, you know what I mean.) :-)
As for piercings, I have toyed with the idea of piercing my nose for years. I like it. But everyone I know thinks it's ugly. And I don't want to be "ugly" to everyone around me, so I haven't done it. But the tongue or the navel is my second choice, and I'm sure I'll get that done in the near future. So, body mutilation isn't a big deal with me, obviously.
Response #45
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/11/01 6:15:38 AM
ummmmmmmm witch, until about 100 years ago, people were still using leeches to cure all sorts of ills. the "Western culture just did it to most babies for eons. There must have been valid reasons WHY" argument isn't very good.
as regards bacteria, when is the last time you have met a guy with a bacteria problem in their folded regions? by that argument, your vagina must be a real factory. these days, people use soap--i don't think it's such a big deal hygienically.
the sex argument sounds interesting, and i will take your word for it seeing how i don't have the unique experience you and your ex have had.
Response #46
By: sooz
Date: 12/11/01 7:03:43 AM
I've heard men who were circumcized as adults argue from both directions. Some preferred it with, some without. Same with women... some prefer it with, some without. I don't think a sampling of one couple (Witch and Mr. Witch, hee hee) is a good base.
I think people should do what they wanna do, and not worry about other people's wing-wangs.
Response #47
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/11/01 9:35:52 AM
Actually SoS, the argument of the vagina having folds of skin is not a valid one, either. There ARE problems that females have. They are mostly called yeast infections. There are other ones, as well.
Yes, of course there is a thing called SOAP. And that helps us today, in our modern lives. But "back at the farm", these guys sometimes went weeks without bathing. Not that this was "the reason" people started circumcision (of course not) but there IS some sort of hygiene factor to it, albeit a small one.
I'll agree with not sampling just one couple. Here is a good article called "Why Most Circumsized Men Seem Satisfied". It was written by the Circumcision Resource Center. They do studies, and have written many articles. And they do talk about the pros and cons, and the arguments on both sides of the fence.
Response #48
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/11/01 2:21:42 PM
I have also had the experience of cut vs. uncut males as sexual partners. Personally, I prefer the cut variety. It does look better and I agree with Witchy's comment about the curves, too.
Uncut males have to be taught to wash themselves properly or else things can get pretty, er cheesy. And some cultures are still no big proponents of daily cleansing rituals. When uncut meets unwashed...it's very un-tidy!! Eeeeuuuwww!
Response #49
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/11/01 7:58:07 PM
(smug in the sure knowledge that he can have good sex without daily cleansing)
Response #50
By: bob
Date: 12/12/01 9:35:13 AM
wow, one thread is talking about cutting testicles, the other penises. very strange for an overwhelmingly male population.
Response #51
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/12/01 10:44:22 AM
That just goes to show you that, no matter how few are around, ladies RULE.
Response #52
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/12/01 12:41:31 PM
Ladies? Who the hell let *ladies* in here???
Response #53
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/12/01 2:52:48 PM
To hell with circumsion...here's a site full of folks who think you shouldn't even cut the umbilical cord! Eeeesh!
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/2924/lotus.html
Response #54
By: bob
Date: 12/12/01 3:12:09 PM
whew, i was thinking that the umbilical cord was attached to the mother. at least it is only the placenta and falls off eventually. of course, maybe they could learn something from cats and dogs, the mothers bite the umbilical cords off of their litters. at least humans use scissors
Response #55
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/12/01 7:41:21 PM
And for Christmas.... Hey! baby! look! It's Mr. PlacentaHead!
Response #56
By: sooz
Date: 12/12/01 8:42:41 PM
Oh, dear. Bob's unclear on the concept.
The umbilical cord is the "tube" is attached to the baby (so he/she can get food in the womb, as forks and knives aren't provided in there). The umbilial cord is cut at birth, an inch or two away from the baby, leaving some of it there. In a few days/week or two, it dries up and falls off, leaving the baby with a belly button. The parents want to take care to clean carefully around it, to prevent infection.
The placenta is something that's delivered after the baby. Yep, there you are, thinking you've done your duty, delivering a healthy, rosy baby, and the doctor says "Ok, you ready to push again?", because you still have to deliver the placenta.
Thus concludes Baby Having 101 for today.
Response #57
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/12/01 10:56:13 PM
Naw, I think Bob had it right (according to that article). In any case, that is too woo-woo for me. Frankly, I like having an innie.
This is the paragraph that bothered ME:
"The placenta can start to smell, a kind of meaty smell. Light some incense if it bothers you. This will only last a day or two, sometimes not at all if the weather is warm and dry."
Dinner, anyone?
Response #58
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/12/01 11:02:43 PM
Oh, and lemme ask you, Roxy... are you preggers?
Response #59
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/13/01 4:55:41 AM
aha! you caught it too witch! on both counts, I thought in that order.
meaty?
roxy?
Response #60
By: sooz
Date: 12/13/01 7:41:21 AM
Oops. Now that I've looked at the article, I see where Bob's coming from.
Response #61
By: bob
Date: 12/13/01 12:00:18 PM
thanks sooz, i am not as dumb as i look. i thought that the umbilical cord attached to the mother and the baby, not the sack and the baby. i was afraid that the kids would be on a leash if it was not cut.
oh, and i prefer innies too
Response #62
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/13/01 1:18:45 PM
Okay, who's starting rumors about me being knocked up?
(I'm not, of course; (hubby is snipped, so I'd have lots of splaining to do!) but I'd still like to know where that idea came from!)
Response #63
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/13/01 4:09:20 PM
You were reading Web sites about alternative birthing methods, so I was naturally jumping to conclusions. (Either that, or you were studying to become a midwife, or something...) ;-)
Response #64
By: bob
Date: 12/14/01 9:03:16 AM
or she just stumbled across a strange web site and shared it with the class.
Response #65
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/15/01 7:55:03 AM
"Alternative" birthing methods... bah, sounds like a marketing ploy. If you really wanna be hardcore, you'll use Punk birthing methods.
Response #66
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/16/01 1:37:21 AM
I have all sorts of weird and disturbing websites up my sleeve.
I just choose my moment as to when to share them so as not to scare you off...
Response #67
By: bob
Date: 12/17/01 2:04:18 PM
hahaha roxy
Response #68
By: WitchHazel
Date: 1/2/02 11:29:03 PM
Okay Roxy, pull another one of your disturbing web sites out of your sleeve. I'm ready.
Response #69
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/5/02 6:51:03 PM
Try this one about the Glamour Pussies
http://thingsihate.org/view/220
While on the subject, try this diary of a woman's vagina
http://www.myvag.net/
Completely unrelated, but strangely addictive...especially "Bum Bum Koala"
http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/
Or did you have a disturbing subject in mind?
Response #70
By: bob
Date: 1/6/02 10:53:30 AM
ok, the first one was really funny.
i didn't have the patience to read enough of the second one to find it very interesting.
those games are pretty silly. it always amazes me that when i play online games and see people's high scores. who playes these things often enough to get in the 100,000 point range. i didn't ever get over 500 or so. but they are pretty simple and mindless entertainment.
Response #71
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 1/6/02 3:30:17 PM
Yes, the account of the Glamour Pussies concert was quite hilarious.
Thanks, Rox!
Response #72
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/6/02 5:36:48 PM
No problem. I always enjoy entertaining/disturbing/scaring/annoying/amusing people!
As for the site about the woman's vagina, it was just disturbing that someone went to so much detail and effort in cataloging her personal experiences with herself and then sharing it with the whole world. Only a truly sick individual would actually *read* every article on that site! :)
Response #73
By: sooz
Date: 1/6/02 8:18:10 PM
I loved the Glamour Pussies article. And you have to click on the band's link to find out what the author never mentions... the women in the band are HUGE!
Speaking as a woman of substantial girth myself... even *I* found it disturbing.
Response #74
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/6/02 8:24:09 PM
*Now* I find these!
http://www.nipguards.com/
Response #75
By: WitchHazel
Date: 1/7/02 10:35:08 AM
OH. MY. GOD. I also went to www.glamourpussies.com (from the link Roxy gave us). Those women are the scariest fucking things I have ever seen. And it takes a LOT to scare ME.
The Easter Bunny? hehehe.
Response #76
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/7/02 11:13:30 AM
Witchy: You asked for it!
Response #77
By: bob
Date: 1/7/02 12:37:58 PM
i guess if you are big enough to need a 4xl you need the nipguards bra.
Response #78
By: WitchHazel
Date: 1/8/02 12:13:50 PM
HA! HA! HA! HA!
Response #79
By: Roxanne
Date: 2/20/02 8:09:29 AM
http://www.georgewgirls.com/
"If this don't make your skin crawl, it's on too tight!"
--Zane T. Dark
Response #80
By: Roxanne
Date: 2/20/02 8:14:37 AM
And in case that previous one got some of you fellas all hot and bothered, here's a site to make sure you don't hurt yourself...
http://members.fortunecity.com/tms3/
Response #81
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 2/20/02 9:11:15 AM
The GeorgeW Girls were HILARIOUS.
Response #82
By: sooz
Date: 2/20/02 10:36:25 AM
The W Girls was disturbing, and reminded me that some folks have WAY too much time on their hands.
Response #83
By: WitchHazel
Date: 2/20/02 11:32:25 AM
Oh. My. GOD! George as a lady is soooo freaking hilarious!
And so was the site for people who are masturbating WRONG. Well gee, if it doesn't feel GOOD, don't hurt yourself, people! ;-)
Response #84
By: bob
Date: 2/20/02 12:04:19 PM
holy shit, who knew there is a right way and a wrong way.
Response #85
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 2/21/02 10:34:24 AM
I di...
nevermind.
Response #86
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/24/02 12:34:31 PM
I wonder if the Texas GOP will try to shut down georgewgirls like they're trying with www.enronownsthegop.com
Response #87
By: WitchHazel
Date: 2/25/02 9:27:44 AM
If they do, someone else will create ANOTHER site, I'm sure. Or even post the source code for THAT one under a different URL.
I'm surprised no one has taken down www.billgatesisdead.com. That one seems and ominous (no matter HOW untrue).
Response #88
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 2/26/02 9:41:09 AM
It's kinda creepy, but also kinda cool. I mean, that they could make it so real.
Response #89
By: WitchHazel
Date: 2/28/02 4:04:51 PM
I wonder if Bill himself has seen it? I mean, if I saw my own epitaph on the Web, *I* would certainly scream!
Response #90
By: rorschach
Date: 3/1/02 10:51:06 AM
I'm sure his lawyers have....