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By: Gowan McGland
Date: 5/15/00 10:47:56 AM
# Replies: 72
has anyone else seen this? I wanted to see it in the theater, but never got the chance. This weekend, I watched it with some friends.
Whatever you might THINK it's about, it isn't. Sure, there's some people beating the crap out of one another and it's pretty graphic, but that's not the REAL movie.
Go rent it. NOW. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
Response #1
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 5/15/00 5:43:59 PM
Oh yah, Fight Club is completely excellent. It's rock and roll, it's deep, it's creepy, it's funny, it's violent. It's *the* document of generation x.
I saw it at a multiplex in Redmond, which is exactly the right place to see it. All the geekboy post-IPO millionaires milling around... Made me want to pick a fight.
Response #2
By: Ralf
Date: 5/16/00 5:41:16 AM
I read the book. It's a brain twister alright.
Response #3
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 5/16/00 7:04:23 PM
It's got a pacific northwest angle, too, since Pilchuck (author of the novel) is from Portland.
Response #4
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/30/00 5:41:41 PM
I give it two thumbs up the eye sockets.
Response #5
By: Ralf
Date: 6/21/00 6:27:48 AM
I finally saw the movie last night. I gotta say: it's better than the book!
While there was an obvious effort to remain true to the story, the filmakers weren't afraid to consolidate some scenes, and in one case, even rewrite a scene so it actually makes more sense. Much of the dialog is word-for-word from the book. The actors are perfect.
But the ending... WOW! Total departure, and in my opinion, the movie trumps the book in every way that matters. Amazing, amazing scene.
Response #6
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 6/21/00 9:30:24 AM
the ending is confusing. spoilers ahead.
was he, or was he not, dead at the end? also, it occurs to me that the female character is also a mind character. any theories?
Response #7
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/21/00 10:33:20 AM
Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers...
Marla is very real. She's been with "Tyler Durdan" the whole time. However, she doesn't see Tyler as Brad Pitt, she sees him as Ed Norton. Ed Norton's character is one personality in his head. Tyler Durdan is the other. So, when he "sees" Brad Pitt, it's his submerged consciousness watching that part of him's actions.
He's not dead. My guess is that the shot to the head affected the part of his brain where Tyler resided, so that personality is gone. Unfortunately, it also incapacited him so much that he couldn't stop what Tyler had started and has now thrown the world into financial KAOS.
Response #8
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/21/00 11:36:27 AM
MORE SPOILERS.
I don't think he killed any part of his brain in which Tyler lived. He was willing to kill himself, and thus had re-integrated himself to where he didn't need to project Tyler anymore.
He shot himself through the mouth, but it looked like the bullet went out where the jaw meets the skull. He missed, basically. Of course in real life he would be in shock to the point that he wouldn't be able to function at all. Shooting yourself in the head tends to make your ears ring something fierce. :-) But it's a movie, so whatever.
The gunshot itself is an amazing piece of cinema. You get that still-pan of Ed's head with his mouth all wide and glowing from the inside...
Response #9
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 6/21/00 1:36:37 PM
MORE SPOILERS...
Re the ending: perhaps this isn't the right movie to say "but that can't happen in real life!" Nevertheless, if you did shoot yourself in the mouth and missed the spinal cord, my guess is that you'd still hit either the trachea or voice box enough so that you couldn't talk, or else hit the windpipe and cause it to flood with blood, also keeping you from talking. or since the jawbone is smashed, i don't imagine you'd be making coherent sounds. and as homer notes, he's probably be down with shock after all of that. ergo my theory is that the last few bits of the movie are all deathdream.
re the woman: did you notice that the woman has no speaking parts to anyone save the norton character? no "real" people ever notice her in any way that's different than how people notice tyler durden, with the exception being the final scene when she is being dragged into the room which, if he is in his deathdream, as i postulate, makes it still a mind thing. i think this jives because otherwise there is that one unexplainable scene where they find a dildo in norton's suitcase at the airport. (a dildo is later shown on the dresser of the woman's apartment).
Response #10
By: Ralf
Date: 6/21/00 2:45:06 PM
SPOILERS SPOILERS SP--- aw heck, just give it up.
According to the *book*, Ed Norton is alive. It's what Homer says: the gunshot "kills" Tyler in the sense that he reintegrates, or at least, disappears. Ed is left 100% in control of his body. He is, however, missing his entire cheek -- it's simply been blown out.
We know this, because Ed Norton ends up in a mental hospital which he believes is a weird sort of afterlife where Heaven is all hospital green-and-white, and smells like antiseptic. God lives behind a desk, questions Ed about his past life, goes "Hmmmm" a lot, and writes down things in a notebook. Ed believes God will send him back to earth one day, all according to God's plan. The book ends just as an orderly, with Fight Club injuries, whispers to Ed: "We'll be waiting for you, sir." Apparently the Movement is waiting to resurrect itself as soon as its leader is released.
Also, the skyline does not explode, rather it's just one building, and it's left unclear whether the building actually *does* explode or not. In any case, the world's monetary system is not smashed. As evidenced by Ed's treatment in the hospital, Life Has Gone On.
Marla is very real. While it's true she doesn't interact with anyone except Ed/Tyler, I think it's intended to be a kind of self-referential joke about Tyler's condition, which Seven picked up on. The book is very clear about her being a real person: she has a mother, whose liposucted fat is what Tyler uses in his first batch of soap. The movie is more ambiguous about Marla, which I think is kinda cool.
Response #11
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/21/00 5:50:41 PM
Guys, GUYS! Rule number one, do not talk about Fight Club!
Response #12
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 6/21/00 5:58:57 PM
Now my head hurts....
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #13
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 6/22/00 9:48:47 AM
SPOILERS SPOILERS
Well, what about the dildo?
Response #14
By: WitchHazel
Date: 9/5/01 8:39:23 AM
FIGHT CLUB fucking rocked. And y'all had some good analysis going on. I, too, liked the mystery of Marla in the movie (versus the book).
--Haze
Response #15
By: Cleotis
Date: 9/29/01 7:15:50 PM
I found it really odd that my wife enjoyed Fight Club a lot more than I did... And I'm convinced that it has little to do with the Brad Pitt good looks thing.
I bought her the DVD for her birthday. She watches and analyzes this film like it's science or something.
I was once told that the author of the book is a mechanic, and he wrote a good portion of the book underneath various vehicles on his back. A true working class kind of dude.
OF course, after the movie, I doubt he's still changing oil.
Anyone else hear that?
Response #16
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 9/29/01 11:21:19 PM
I couldn't find anything confirming it, but he was writing it (in long hand, btw) while he was still working as a mechanic.
Apparently, he wrote a book before Fight Club, but it was rejected and then published after Fight Club took off.
He quit his mechanic job after the movie came out.
Response #17
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/1/01 8:03:29 AM
It's nice to know that Rags-to-Riches is still possible in this country. Me? I'm still in holey jeans, but THERE'S HOPE!!!!!
Response #18
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/1/01 2:08:14 PM
Hey, I bought a new pair of jeans today at lunch! I'm movin' up in the world!
Response #19
By: sooz
Date: 10/1/01 3:48:54 PM
I got new jeans Saturady. $9 at an "irregular" store. Wahoo!
Response #20
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/1/01 4:05:47 PM
Now THAT is a deal! (Mine were TOO expensive...Waaaa!)
Response #21
By: sooz
Date: 10/2/01 5:52:50 AM
(DISCLAIMER: This is a post about girls and shopping and stores and sizes and jeans... apologies to anyone that's bored by this type o' thing.)
I usually shop at Avenue, a store for women bigger'n size 14. I've taken to liking wide-bottom jeans, because my calves are big (are you getting the idea that I'm not tiny?), and straight leg jeans feel constricting.
Alas, Avenue is only selling straight leg jeans this fall. I HATE shopping, but I was doing it out of necessity -- I was down to one pair of jeans, and people began asking things like "So, how many pairs of those do you have?" "Just the one," I'd say. "Oh..." (Noting that I wear them a LOT.)
In a huff, I went next door to Ross Dress For Less, a discount store. There, they had AVENUE jeans (!!!) in my size, marked down from the $35 Avenue price to the aforementioned $9. WAHOO!
Response #22
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/2/01 12:54:04 PM
Damn. I should have checked Ross!
Response #23
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/3/01 11:54:17 AM
Sooz, you're the first female friend I have who doesn't like to shop.
For the record, I haaaaaaate shopping. That's why I never look for DEALS - I just run in, get what I need, and LEAVE. Malls and department stores scare me. And I don't have the patience to weed through thrift store wares. And catalog or internet items never fit right. *Sigh* I need hire a personal shopper that has my same measurements to go shopping around for me, looking for deals. :-)
Response #24
By: sooz
Date: 10/3/01 12:48:05 PM
I would rather have my head slammed in the car door than go to the mall.
Response #25
By: Roxanne
Date: 10/3/01 12:53:41 PM
I *loathe* malls.
I strongly dislike shopping too. I must have an estrogen deficiency or something, because I have never gone in much for the typical female stuff.
Response #26
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/3/01 4:40:29 PM
Estrogen-deficient. Hmmm. Now there's a good "excuse" for not shopping with my girlfriends!
Now, if I can just find a way to get out of buying Christmas presents, I'll be happy as all hell.
Response #27
By: sooz
Date: 10/4/01 6:53:12 AM
I rarely wear jewelery or makeup.
I hate to shop.
I only own 3 pairs of shoes.
I'd rather earn money than make a nice meal.
I'm horrible at cooking, cleaning, and any domestic task that doesn't involve raising a child.
My daily bathing experience takes less than 20 minutes.
I have no desire to redecorate our house.
Dishes and flatware bore me.
It doesn't take dinner, a movie, flowers and 3 hours of foreplay to get me ready for sex.
It's been purported that I'm not actually a female.
Response #28
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/4/01 11:48:16 AM
Well, I'm only HALF-female, so I can identify with some/most of these items. ;-) I also drive fast, love beer, and use lots of profanity. Definitely NOT a "lady".
I also happen to be the ONLY female in my whole group of MEN working on video games... Hmmmm. Should I be scared?
Response #29
By: sooz
Date: 10/4/01 8:48:44 PM
I got 3 speeding tickets in a year.
I prefer Sol Cerveza or Tequiza, but will drink lotsa things.
Profanity, my ass.
Response #30
By: Da Sissop
Date: 10/5/01 10:41:58 AM
I love to shop. This week alone I bought 2 videogames, a Microsoft "Sidewinder" joystick, a cordless gyroscopic "presentation" mouse, 3 compact discs, a cable-tv line splitter, a book, and some beer.
Response #31
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/5/01 10:49:29 AM
Sooz, you're killin' me... :-)
Response #32
By: sooz
Date: 10/5/01 3:37:10 PM
Tell us about the beer, Sissop.
Response #33
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 10/5/01 5:09:29 PM
woo, all this tomboy talk is making me HOT...
Response #34
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/6/01 1:06:33 AM
I wanna know what games he got!
Response #35
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/6/01 8:08:34 PM
Damn. I'm glad Sissop isn't on MY Christmas list. I'd be flat-out broke! ;-)
Response #36
By: bob
Date: 10/7/01 11:32:05 AM
see, i am confused..... i am definately a heterosexual male...but i love to go shopping. not even to buy stuff, just to go wander around a look. hmmmmmm, maybe i have some of the estrogen that you guys are lacking.
Response #37
By: sooz
Date: 10/7/01 11:58:59 AM
Bob's a girl. I'm a guy. We're just trying to keep the hormonal balance on our block, ya know.
Response #38
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 10/8/01 3:32:07 AM
baby girl boob.
Response #39
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/8/01 8:03:35 AM
heh heh ha ha hehe he hehehe...he said "boob".
Response #40
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/8/01 8:21:18 AM
Gaaaaahahaha!
Response #41
By: bob
Date: 10/8/01 10:46:09 PM
see, this is unfair, if i protest my being young, youguys will just call me a little girl going into a tantrum. i hate no win situations. hahaha
Response #42
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/9/01 9:37:05 AM
you're such a little baby girl, bob.
"I don't believe in the no-win scenario."
Response #43
By: bob
Date: 10/9/01 2:00:25 PM
really, gowan? you must play better than i do...i run into lots of no-win situations
Response #44
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 10/9/01 2:36:41 PM
if you can't win bob, you shouldn't play!
Response #45
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/9/01 4:36:40 PM
Man, if you don't know what that quote is from, I'm gonna have to beat what little life is left in you out of you.
Response #46
By: bob
Date: 10/9/01 5:40:12 PM
well, you have to asmit you have an unfair advantage, being a movie critic and all. now that you mention it though, it does sound familiar, but i can't place it. so, you know where i live, come on and smash me.
Response #47
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/9/01 8:12:30 PM
I don't have to asmit anything.
Response #48
By: bob
Date: 10/9/01 10:19:00 PM
well, i will asmit that i can't type. not like i can hide all the evidence, so why not asmit it
Response #49
By: sooz
Date: 10/10/01 7:21:13 AM
I hate when redheads fight. It's just the WORST.
Response #50
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/10/01 8:45:15 AM
I asmit that I'm cracking up too hard to type...
Response #51
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/10/01 9:15:51 AM
Here's a couple more hints:
"You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman you keep missing the target."
"Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
Response #52
By: rorschach
Date: 10/10/01 10:29:27 AM
Ok, I thought I knew where the quote came from until the last post... it threw me for a loop.
any more hints available?
Response #53
By: bob
Date: 10/10/01 3:55:42 PM
if you are not already in the car......i don't think i have seen it.
Response #54
By: Da Sissop
Date: 10/10/01 6:51:36 PM
"From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
"What a horrible greeting card, Captain."
Response #55
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/10/01 7:56:40 PM
Well, FANG knows.
Response #56
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/11/01 10:21:55 AM
I don't. So spill the beans!
Response #57
By: bob
Date: 10/11/01 11:05:32 AM
well good for fang
Response #58
By: sooz
Date: 10/11/01 11:20:28 AM
Fang = Sissop.
Response #59
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/11/01 11:32:34 AM
"You lied."
"I exaggerated."
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"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."
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"Ah, my old friend. Do you know the proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold?"
Response #60
By: rorschach
Date: 10/11/01 1:15:13 PM
ok that WAS where i thought it came from, I guess you just confused me....
Response #61
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 10/12/01 4:55:46 AM
ohh ohh! i know now!
Response #62
By: bob
Date: 10/12/01 2:34:11 PM
is that the one with the chinese guy and the black guy?
Response #63
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 10/13/01 2:54:06 AM
No, it's the one with the Mexican guy and the singer from the USA.
Response #64
By: bob
Date: 10/13/01 10:05:17 AM
if that is the case, then i know i haven't seen it
Response #65
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/13/01 6:44:46 PM
It's "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan", btw.
Response #66
By: Roxanne
Date: 10/14/01 9:59:43 PM
Is it "Ishtar"?
Response #67
By: bob
Date: 10/14/01 10:57:57 PM
oh....then i have seen it...just don't remember those lines. guess that pulls me right out of the trekkie catagory
Response #68
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 10/15/01 3:27:03 AM
Hee hee. I crack myself up. 'Singer from the USA.' HAH.
Response #69
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 10/15/01 6:46:02 AM
homer, don't feel underappreciated. i thought it was funny too!
Response #70
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/15/01 8:20:09 AM
Yes, I was laughing, Homer.
Response #71
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 10/15/01 8:55:51 AM
but was it WITH you or AT you?
You decide!
Response #72
By: WitchHazel
Date: 10/15/01 1:26:39 PM
Good question, Gowan.