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By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/10/01 8:43:45 PM
# Replies: 30
All I can say is WOW!
First off, a nice breath of fresh air, just simpley because there are not that many musicals done these days. Stylishly done, fantastic production value, some really great shots, some really great performances. A different twist on the Romeo & Juliet story. Love found and lost. If you like to see a really well done, stylish movie, go see this.
Response #1
By: WitchHazel
Date: 9/18/01 5:48:18 PM
I have not seen this one yet (I hope to see it SOON -- I've heard good things) but if ya wanna see a really great musical, rent "The Cradle Will Rock". It's one of the best movies I saw last year, and has a FANTASTIC and DIVERSE cast. Go! Now! See it!
Response #2
By: WitchHazel
Date: 1/27/02 9:52:51 AM
Finally saw this two days ago. DAMN GOOD MOVIE. It breaks all the traditions of modern movie-making in one fell swoop.
Response #3
By: rorschach
Date: 2/6/02 7:37:59 PM
but what is a movie about prostitution, sex, and whorehouses/saloons without some SEX! it was a bit tame in that department.....and I was really hoping for a better view of kidman, (sorry, I have a thing for redheads.....)
Response #4
By: bob
Date: 2/8/02 1:02:14 PM
i will take that under advisement...thinking of dying my hair
Response #5
By: WitchHazel
Date: 2/10/02 10:14:38 AM
Other than showing some actual NIPPLE, she was pretty scantily clad in parts. But yes, a little sex woulda been nice. However, it would have taken away from the character of the movie (I think).
Response #6
By: rorschach
Date: 2/11/02 11:03:36 AM
Bob, nothing personal you understand, but I generally do not find myself attracted to men... (at least not knowingly, there have been some cross dressers that I have met that were drop dead gorgeous until I discovered the truth... but I'm not sure they really qualify in this regard anyway...)
but thanks for the thought anyway....
Response #7
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 6/23/02 7:57:28 PM
I was disappointed with this movie. Maybe my expections were to high.
I rented the movie Quills last week about the Marque de Sade. This movie I liked.
Response #8
By: rorschach
Date: 6/28/02 11:16:52 AM
are you trying to say something there Tess?
Response #9
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 7/1/02 5:51:30 AM
I thought I did..do we need to explore this deeper?
Response #10
By: rorschach
Date: 7/1/02 11:20:32 AM
works for me.....but wouldn't FormatC take issue? or does he have any say in this?
and on that point... hasn't anyone noticed the "dominant" tone of the "submit" button below?
Response #11
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 7/1/02 8:55:40 PM
Format and I will even man the first aid kit...and reserve the right to also be on the judging panel. But don't get yer feelin's hurt when we broadcast an mp3 of you screaming like a little girl over the internet once the hot wax and nipple clamps are deployed. By us, of course ;)
Response #12
By: rorschach
Date: 7/11/02 3:16:39 PM
Zane, you mean you wouldn't save that for Tess to do? She might be dissapointed, and you KNOW you don't want to dissapoint her....That would be a BAD thing....You might have to be punished as well....
Response #13
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 7/20/02 12:14:34 AM
[thinking]
Nope...I'll take my chances. A guy's gotta draw the line someplace; *I* pilot the grill, *I* hold the remote, and *I* deploy the nipple clamps.
..well, until persuaded otherwise, of course. But how that is actually accomplished is a trade seekrit.
Response #14
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 7/21/02 6:51:25 PM
Hot wax no, no, no.. hot wax opens the pores..Nads, the right product for the right job. Nipple clamps are out.. piercings.. now where did I leave that drill bit?
Response #15
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 7/21/02 7:04:12 PM
Hot wax..Nads...Nipple clamps...piercings...
JFK, blown away, what else to I have to say...
We didn't start the fire...
Response #16
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 7/21/02 7:34:36 PM
Billy Joel uses Biore.
Response #17
By: rorschach
Date: 7/22/02 10:50:04 AM
is that why he was at Betty Ford?
Response #18
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 7/22/02 7:08:20 PM
Not if he was putting it on a Ritz...
Response #19
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 7/23/02 6:25:26 AM
Nair on a Ritz...get the hair from the inside out.
And it's a nice snack.
Response #20
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 7/31/02 8:13:19 PM
What a perfect cat treat. I'll call them...Urp-B-Gone (tm).
Response #21
By: rorschach
Date: 8/1/02 9:59:43 AM
I just recently aquired a cat. My mother you see had gone to the pound and picked out two cats presumptively for my daughter, but since we had dogs and birds it was felt that our house would not be a good environment for a feline, much less two. Therefore, she decided she would keep them at her house for her.
Three days before memorial day weekend, my mother was in her back yard chopping at roots with an axe. one of the cats darted between her legs (they were "outside" cats and weren't allowed in the house) and got chopped in the head with the axe. The axe hit her on top of the head and went clean to the bone. instead of taking the cat to the vet, or even bothering to clean the dirt out of the wound, she just let the cat run off and do it's thing. I find out about this friday evening memorial day weekend at 5:30. I promptly go over there and take the cat, and as the only vet open at that hour was the emergency vet clinic. At 11:30 pm and $410 later, I vow I am not taking the cat back and that I intend to get the other cat before something happens to it.
The next morning, as I am getting ready to go get the other cat I get a nasty phone call from my mother demanding "her" cat back. I tell her that I have just spent over 400 bucks on this cat, it was not her cat anyway, it was my daughter's, that the vet thought there was criminal neglect/cruelty, and that I was not only not returning the cat, I was coming for the other one.
Her response was that if I set foot in her yard to get the other cat she was calling the law. I responded that she had been very close to answering to the sheriff's department last night herself and that if anyone was going to jail, she was. since then, she has called and laid the guilt on so heavy with my daughter that she was crying and my wife took the phone away, told her off and hung up. she promptly has called back and left nasty messages on the machine (we won't answer the phone if it is her anymore) and we had her number blocked. to date the other cat is still over there (it is so wild it won't come to humans anymore anyway, it is essentially a stray that she feeds once in a while now.)we are not talking, and I have been at least verbally disowned.
This has turned into one heluva mess, but I'm not sure breaking contact with the woman isn't such a bad thing. she has ALWAYS been a thoughoughly nasty manipulative person, not just to my wife but to everyone she meets. If anyone is around her for more than 10 minutes they have been insulted at least once. most of my siblings try to avoid her as well and she is always trying to play one sibling off on another. It may just be my perception of her, but it seems like she is getting worse. I think she is in the very early stages of dementia and is becoming paranoid and lashing out at anyone/everyone at hand. not so much irrational or incompetent so much as just being very very surly, bitter, and unpleasant. but of course she will never allow anyone to try to actually diagnose it.
I'm really wondering what I should do here. should I just freeze her out of my family's lives? should I try to have her committed (it would have to be involuntarily, she will NEVER admit that there is anything in the least wrong with her, it is everyone else who is out to get her)? My siblings and I have actually talked about commitment but we haven't been able to really bring ourselves to do anything but talk as of yet, and of course all we have to go on is our perceptions of her, there has never been (and never will be if she has her way)any real medical diagnosis made. I have had it with her to the point that I can honestly say I really don't care all that much what happens to her anymore.
anybody have any advice?
(sorry for the topic shear, but I've been needing to talk about this to someone more or less neutral)
Response #22
By: sooz
Date: 8/2/02 12:40:09 PM
Wow, Ror*. I'm really sorry all of this is going on.
I don't know what you and your brothers/sisters should do about your mom. I DO know that it's prety hard to get someone involuntarily committed, though. Unless shes' threatening murder or suicide, and you have record of it... of if she's physically unable to take care of her... it's probably not possible.
Again, I'm really sorry. Good luck to your whole family.
Response #23
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 8/5/02 9:08:09 AM
That's really tough to hear Ror.
Depending on your mother's age, your first inclination might be the best avenue. She's likely not to change. It's sad, but for your own family's sanity, you might have to do just that...leave her behind.
Response #24
By: rorschach
Date: 8/5/02 11:04:06 AM
Sooz, Spaz, therein lies the rub. She is able to take care of herself, at least for now, and she is not threatening murder or suicide. In fact, to my knowledge, she has never spoken with a mental health practitioner of any sort. She is just a real bitch to be around for more than a few minutes at a time. She's in her late 70's, not in the best of health, and probably won't be around much longer. My youngest daughter (she'll be 15 months on the eighth) has hardly seen her as it is and probably wouldn't recognise her if she did (it's been at least six month since she saw her last), and if things don't change, never will again. She'll grow up never having a memory of ANY of her grandparents (she has never even met her other set which are in Canada and we can't afford to get up there to visit them much and they are getting on in years too). I'm trying to decide if it is fair to her and my older daughter or if she'll just scar them mentally. Or will my daughters, when they get older, be angry that they were never allowed to know thier grandmother?
I want to be able to let my kids know thier grandmother but I'm afraid that the psychic damage may be indelible either way.
on the flip side of the coin, since I'm the only one that still lives all that terribly close to her (the next nearest is in Livingston, an hour away traffic permitting), all my siblings kind of assume it is my job to look after her. If I refuse, even if my siblings are sympathetic to my reasons, I'll be a pariah among my siblings as well. (of course I could move and solve that issue I guess but that feels alot like letting her win, and it would be a heluva disruption to my career as well as to the rest of the family).
You see, this is the trouble you get into when you give a shit what other people think.....Damn I hate when that happens....
Response #25
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 8/6/02 11:29:52 AM
Well, the truth of the matter is, that if she's as bad as that, your daughter would better served remembering her grandmother as you can relate her to her. Yeah, you want them to know their grandmother, but sometimes you have to draw that line in places you'd really rather not. If the emotional and mental damage that might be ensued from your childrens exposure to her is a greater price to pay that the heartache they may experience now from the abscence, well, then it's best to do what you have to do. Only you and your wife can really make that decision though, being the 2 closest to the situation, and knowing your children better than anyone else.
Good luck.
These kind of decision are never easy.
Response #26
By: bob
Date: 8/7/02 2:49:04 PM
i am not sure i can add anything besides sympathy. everyone else has already pretty much given all the advice i can think of. i can't imagine being in your shoes, and i hope it all works out, somehow or another.
Response #27
By: rorschach
Date: 8/8/02 12:15:10 PM
thanks guys, really. I just needed a "sanity check". I thought my wife and I might actually be TOO close to make a rational decision (and I realize that you guys only know what I have posted about the situation, so my feelings in the matter have of course colored your perceptions as well, hard to avoid...).
I think at least for now... she is persona non-grata and see where it takes us...
Response #28
By: Roxanne
Date: 8/8/02 1:31:44 PM
ror, I think you are doing the right thing. You have to think about what is truly best for your child.
Response #29
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 8/10/02 4:56:42 PM
ROR:
If you DO decide to participate in some sort of intervention or IF you ever get the point of considering it, try to get involvment from as many of your siblings and other family members as you can. If someone does not want help, and is as intelligent and can be as manipulative she appears to capable of being, they CAN talk thier way out of forced therapy, then end up not only getting no help at all, but YOU end up being the pariah anyway.
About a year ago I bit the bullet and participated in a forced commitment of an old friend because I was worried about all the prescription drugs she was being given and how her personality and life had changed for the worse. My thinking was that I was worried for her *life* and that any true friend would put that on the line if they really cared. Well, I can tell you this; it was easier to say, tougher to plan, painful to do, and miserable to live with afterward. She gave the doctors a load of shit, they believed it, she got out in a few days, then began this verbal damage control telling and retelling the story changing it ever so slightly to put the spin of evil back on all of us for doing it, questioning our motives and accusing some of very despicable behavior, which is false, but sad. We speak maybe once a month, I haven't seen her son in 2, and she's turned into a walking defense reaction.
Sorry, this is not about me; I'm just trying to get across that it is important plan ahead for what you are going to do, and if you decide to go through with it, do so with a steeled will and your eyes wide open to the fact that it is no guarantee of help, improvement, or even forced stability.
With that said, the reason people want kids to know thier grandparents are the typical reasons we all want them to; love, wisdom, patience, family. From what you described, she does not engender any of this right now, so don't sweat it. What they are missing is not your fault, it is her's.
Response #30
By: rorschach
Date: 8/14/02 9:51:43 AM
I hear ya zane, BOY do I hear ya.... I'm already the pariah in the family, so I really don't have a heluva lot to loose anyway.....