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By: Da Sissop
Date: 10/18/98 6:01:07 PM
# Replies: 41
They didn't succeed. This is the biggest musical letdown of the year. If you've heard their first two amazing albums, well, you've heard just about everything on this one.
The one exception is a track called "Guitar" (3.5MB mp3 file) which stands out because it features a musical saw.
And I guess I kinda like the first single, "Never There," (2.5MB mp3 file) despite the fact that when you pull apart the components (spoken monotone lyrics, shouted chorus, one killer riff driving the song) you've essentially got a milder version of "The Distance". It works on this song, but the rest of the CD is so blatantly formulaic, the folks at Similac have gotta be sweating bullets.
Response #1
By: Ralf
Date: 10/19/98 7:35:03 AM
Alas. Another hero fallen.
There's a lot of truth to the cliche "you spend your whole life making your first album, and six months on the next one".
I vow never to succumb to this. If ever I make it big in the music industry, my second album will consist entirely of Pixies cover songs. Somebody will have to help me with the screaming, though.
Response #2
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 2/21/99 8:22:30 AM
I don't know where I am at the moment..just found a thread to play in, but you will be proud of me. When I logged in yesterday and saw the new address I didn't know how to change the icon with the old address that gets me here in a wisper...so..I bookmarked the page with the new address and then...then this morning when I wanted to play here I went to search . com, hit bookmark which showed the page with the new address..copied it and pasted it in the . com thingy..and boom! I may not know how to do all these tech thingy things..but I refuse to be left out. Smoooch!
Response #3
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 2/21/99 2:45:20 PM
Tess, I'm not sure what it is that you just did but...HEY COOL!! WAY TA' GO GIRL!!!
;)
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #4
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/22/99 3:54:04 AM
Yay Tess! Master of cut and paste!
Response #5
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 2/22/99 12:18:25 PM
not that i'm not proud of you tess, but i don't get it...you tried to go to the new address, but somehow you ended up here (the old address)? no cookies from me, anyways.
Response #6
By: Da Sissop
Date: 2/23/99 6:54:44 PM
The new address still hasn't kicked in yet, but http://come.to/webnuns should git ya here no matter what the underlying address...
...assuming you don't mind being stuck in an invisible frame.
Response #7
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/25/99 3:15:00 AM
come.to was down today. however, come.down was up, inexplicably.
Anyway, they run an NT server. I know this because of the error message I got.
Response #8
By: rorschach
Date: 2/25/99 2:06:04 PM
"Open the pod bay doors HAL..."
"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. It appears there is a General Protection Fault in the AE-35 unit...."
Response #9
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 2/25/99 4:54:19 PM
Homer Sez:
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come.to was down today. however, come.down was up, inexplicably.
Anyway, they run an NT server. I know this because of the error message I got.
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Heh... I was going to suggest that you knew it was NT because it was down. :)
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #10
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 2/26/99 1:38:51 PM
Yeah, but NT'll tell you WHY it was down instead of you having to consult your mojo and the chicken bones like with Novell.
Response #11
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 2/26/99 10:24:00 PM
Well sure. As often as NT crashes you need that don't you. :)
It is true that Novell is a bit cryptic when it does actually go belly-up. Fortunately it doesn't happen that often from my experience. My server farm at Rusche had Novell 4.11 servers with an uptime of between 300-350 days when I shut them down to upgrade the NICs to 100Mb. The Exchange server and PDC went down or froze about every 5-6 weeks. This doesn't count the spontaneous reboots we started getting on the PDC as I was leaving that contract. Nothing ever showed up in the logs so I kinda' suspect it might have been hardware related.
But I've seen VAX/VMS and Solaris systems that beat both Novell and NT hands down in terms uptime. When those go down you REALLY need a witchdoctor to bring on the mojo and chicken bones. Though I did one of the "secrets" to dealing with a hung Sun Solaris box.
[STOP]+[A] "reset" seems to fix alot. :)
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #12
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 2/26/99 10:28:53 PM
God...I *AM* a geek....
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #13
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/27/99 2:52:21 AM
..But we love you!
Response #14
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/2/99 12:52:14 PM
As often as NT crashes? If you have problems with NT crashing on a regular basis, you're doing something really wrong. The only time I have to restart NT is when I install something, or the cable modem goes down, and I have to refresh IP addy's.
Response #15
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/2/99 8:41:40 PM
Spaz Sez:
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As often as NT crashes? If you have problems with NT crashing on a regular basis, you're doing something really wrong. The
only time I have to restart NT is when I install something, or the cable modem goes down, and I have to refresh IP addy's.
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In a real-live production environment NT stability is an issue. The frequency of crashes, locks, or loss of service may vary, but compared to other server OS (Solaris, Novell, IRIX, HP-UX, AIX, VMS) NT has a much higher degree of instability. Now this could be different on networks smaller that 100 nodes since I don't have any direct experience with NT environments with less than 250 nodes, or indirect knowledge of experiences of other Admins and analysts on networks smaller than about 100 nodes. Of the 9 or so companies I've done contracts or project for in the last 3 years, their NT servers have always been their "problem children" compared to their other servers.
On the desktop side, NT seems okay as long as you aren't running any legacy apps. Problem is most companies ARE running legacy apps that they can't just get rid of because of legal, customer or operational requirements. Don't get me wrong though, in the right client environment NT is a way better desktop solution than Win95. If NT were better with legacy apps and games I would have nuked the Win95 partition on my Intel box a long time ago. But my home servers are staying Novell and Solaris.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #16
By: sooz
Date: 3/3/99 7:31:57 AM
I feel required to mention that this post went from a review of Cake to NT crashing.
Response #17
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/3/99 9:02:54 AM
That's because Cake makes NT crash sooz. Keep up will ya? :)
Sorc:
"On the desktop side, NT seems okay as long as you aren't running any legacy apps."
Like I said, if you aren't doing something wrong. NT was not designed to nor is it supported by MS to RUN legacy apps.
When it comes to any other crashing, the most likely culprit, is Novell drivers. I would say in probably 70% of the cases that I have run across, the biggest problem with NT, is configuring NT to run on the network. Once configured properly, it's really not that much of a problem.
Response #18
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/3/99 7:21:14 PM
Spaz Sez:
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Like I said, if you aren't doing something wrong. NT was not designed to nor is it supported by MS to RUN legacy apps.
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Ok, a misunderstanding or terms. I didn't put running legacy apps into the "doing something wrong" group. Running legacy apps is still a big business need of a great many clients will some time to move do away with. So I guess the something that their doing wrong is deciding to run NT on the desktop while they have a need for legacy app support.
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When it comes to any other crashing, the most likely culprit, is Novell drivers. I would say in probably 70% of the cases that I
have run across, the biggest problem with NT, is configuring NT to run on the network.
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NT certainly doesn't play well with other NOS. My anti-MickySoft bias can't help but make me suspect that they did that on purpose to discourage the use of non-NT network solutions.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #19
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 3/3/99 10:08:48 PM
On the other hand, most legacy apps that you're going to have a problem with are MS-DOS or Windows 3.1 based. Had much luck running those apps on a Novell or Solaris server?
Response #20
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/3/99 11:26:52 PM
Gowan Sez:
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On the other hand, most legacy apps that you're going to have a problem with are MS-DOS or Windows 3.1 based. Had
much luck running those apps on a Novell or Solaris server?
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What I was just talking about NT with Spaz was on the desktop side. That's where the "legacy apps" issue resides. There is no real legacy apps issue on the server side, which is where I was originally speaking to when the discussion started. When I need to run legacy apps, the place I need to run them are on the desktop under the desktop OS. Novell is a Network OS, it's function is to run the network from the comfort of a nice cool locked Data Center, not to run desktop applications at all. Solaris...well, Solaris comes in workstation and server packages and you can actually run DOS and 16-bit Windows desktop apps on a Solaris station with an add-on. I've heard it's pretty good but I haven't had any experience with it to allow me to speak with any serious degree of credibility about it's performance. It's a very very VERY rare thing to see people do. UnixHeads bearly acknowledge that the non-Unix world exists, much less want to run something so "impure" as non-Unix apps on their box.
Now, you CAN run them FROM the Novell server. That is, you can map a drive to a location on a Novell box (or a Solaris server even) where the files are stored and run them from there as if they were on your local drive, but the execution of the program is still being done on the desktop side by the desktop OS, not the NOS. I guess I should state more clearly in the future by explicitly saying NT (meaning desktop) or NT Server and not assuming that my context will make it clear.
I haven't even touched on the issue of legacy Client/Server apps because I didn't think it relative since by nature they have to be very specifically coded to the NOS they are running under. Same goes for stuff like Citrix WinFrame. I will simply say that yes I know about them, that they don't refute my statements and I can speak to those too if you want.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #21
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/3/99 11:33:29 PM
Quote the Sorc: "Ok, a misunderstanding or terms. I didn't put running legacy apps into the "doing something wrong" group."
Ok, you may be right. But I think in most cases, trying use something in a manner in consistent with it's intended use is a violation of any implied warranty. Kinda lke using a knife for a screwdriver, and then being pissed at the company that made the screw becasue you knerled it up. You wanna ru lagacy apps, that's fine. Do it on an OS that's designed to do it. Don't get mad at NT becasue it won't do somethign that you want it to do, that it's not SUPPOSED to do.
"So I guess the something that their doing wrong is deciding to run NT on the desktop while they have a need for legacy app support."
BINGO! Use the right tool, for the right job. But just be aware. Windows 98 is the LAST os that will support legacy/DOS apps. 98 is the LAST of teh DOS back boned operating systems, according to MS. So start searching out those 32 bit replacement apps now.
"NT certainly doesn't play well with other NOS. My anti-MickySoft bias can't help but make me suspect that they did that on purpose to discourage the use of non-NT network solutions"
No doubt. I've defintely seen that with 98. I can't tell you how many time since we started shipping 98 that I have traced problems to 98 hanging up right down to the Netwar driver being loaded. Soon as you take them suckers out, problem stops.
Response #22
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/4/99 12:04:40 AM
Spaz Sez:
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Ok, you may be right. But I think in most cases, trying use something in a manner in consistent with it's intended use is a
violation of any implied warranty. Kinda lke using a knife for a screwdriver, and then being pissed at the company that made
the screw becasue you knerled it up. You wanna ru lagacy apps, that's fine. Do it on an OS that's designed to do it. Don't get
mad at NT becasue it won't do somethign that you want it to do, that it's not SUPPOSED to do.
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My bitch with that is M$ is all but shoving NT Workstation down the Corporate throat as "this is the desktop you have to goto to run your enterprise on", knowing full well the degree of use (dependency?) these places have on "legacy apps" and how poorly their OS supports them. Do they care? No. Their aim seems to be "everything will be perfect if you replace everything else in favor of a MicroSoft version of the product" They don't even TRY to make their OS support "legacy apps", it isn't in their interests to do anything but continue to drive you down the ever narrowing alley of software options until the only applications you run (the only ones you CAN run) are made by Microsoft. And THEN they make you ride the neverending Upgrade-Go-Round.
BLECH!!
I'm not trying to lessen the responsibility of Corp and IT management to have the smarts to not make stupid decisions; like deploying 1100 new NT desktops before they realize a mission critical app falls on the "legacy"/Not-supported-under-NT list. Those people/companies deserve the horrible fates they bring upon themselves. But M$ way of doing things just really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #23
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/4/99 12:13:37 AM
Did Windows 3.1 ever really run? :)
Response #24
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/4/99 12:48:37 AM
"They don't even TRY to make their OS support "legacy apps","
Actually, that's what 95 and 98 intention was. The closest possible bridge between a 32 bit operating system with legacy support. before this starts getting a bad tone to it, let me go on record as saying that no matter what, we have Bill Gates to blame for this mess due to his lack of vision "640K is all anyone will ever need." Afterall, that is really what the cruxt of this whole deal is anyway. Another clear reality has to be realized as well. The main reason we have Windows today is becasue people saw Macs and the abilty to have a GUI and the ability to more than one thing at a time. The reason you have Windows on a PC is teh same reason VHS won out over BETA. People want the best of both worlds. They want something that can do the job, at a competitive price. YOur legacy applications ae going away. Your ISA slot are going away. PCI USB and Firewire are taking the place of ISA to overcome the problem IRQ's. This is what's happening, this it the way things are gonna be. Might as well get use to it, and be ready for it, or be left out.
Response #25
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 3/4/99 8:50:13 AM
But but but...I don't *like* PCI modems.
Response #26
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/5/99 12:15:38 AM
Actually, PCI modems really aren't that bad. Not that much difference either. Main difference is that since they are PCI devices, they can share interrupts. Other than that, they pretty much function the same way as your ISA modem. Take heart though, at this time, Dell is the only major computer manufacturer dedicated to keeping 1 ISA slot in their motherboards for the next 2 years, for backward compatibility.
Response #27
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 3/6/99 9:53:34 AM
Ok..wait.. are you telling me that the old address still works? Then how come I can not get here from there? Hmmm? What I was splaining was Fang had posted the new address and I made a bookmark of it since I don't know how to change the address on the icon thingy Kev set up for me to get here with ease, soooo I cut the new address from the bookmark (and am still doing this now)and pasted it in the go to . com thingy and got here. NOW ARE YOU TELLING ME I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS??? And none of that stupid people shouldn't have a computer or I'll plant you in my garden. And now that I'm feeling pissy, I don't even want to know how to fix it..you just come out here and do it for me! Hmmmph!
;>
Response #28
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/6/99 10:04:37 PM
Tess Sez:
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Fang had posted the new address and I made a bookmark of it since I don't know how to change the address on the icon thingy Kev set up for me to get here with ease, soooo I cut the new address from the bookmark (and am still doing this now)and pasted it in the go to . com thingy and got here. NOW ARE YOU TELLING ME I DON'T HAVE TO
DO THIS???
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Actually... They finally changed Fang's address, so the old one won't work anymore. It's just that we had been talkin' about how they were supposed to change his address...but they didn't...but now they did...so the old one won't work anymore. Err...uh...ya' see? Sorc'(Rev)
Response #29 tess my baby, if you can still get on the board now that the address is changed, you'll get all the kudos you want from me. Response #30 Leave it to a woman to inject some nonesense into a perfectly good geek discussion!!!
Just kidding with you tess. :) Response #31 Don't worry Capt.. I didn't read you anyway...
Thank you SoS.. Smoooch!
Sorcy.. are you telling me it would help if I actually read the messages.. Haven't we had this conversation before? Smoooch! Response #32 Tess Sez:
Er...um...well...not really...but...uh...okay, yeah I was...kinda' :)
But that's okay kiddo, you found your way back again and that's the important thing. I was actually going to call you this weekend to make sure you hadn't deleted the wrong link back here. I was, unfortunately, sick and forgot to.
I did FINALLY get my couch though!! Now I have a place for visitor to sit.
Sorc'(Rev) Response #33 Neat0! So when are you going to have a snerd??? I hope you feel better! Response #34 Tess Sez:
I'm feeling much better dear, thank you. Just a bad case of the Three Day Crud.
Hmmm.... You mean a couch warming Snerd? Hmmm.... There's a thought! I may have to do something like that. :)
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #35 We could each bring something to leave under the cushions. Response #36 an egg timer so you'd know when to rotate people on the couch. Response #37 COUCHES! They aren't just for sitting anymore! Response #38 Thanks Tess.
Afterall, I'm use to being ignored by women. Response #39 (passes cheese to go with whine) Response #40 Okay, who passed the cheese? Response #41 Hey!!!
I wasn't whining!!
And if you don't believe me, I'll stomp my feet and hold my breath until you do!!!
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 3/8/99 12:51:36 PM
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/8/99 11:39:17 PM
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 3/15/99 6:26:26 PM
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/15/99 9:43:59 PM
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Sorcy.. are you telling me it would help if I actually read the messages.. Haven't we had this conversation before?
Smoooch!
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By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 3/18/99 5:17:42 AM
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 3/18/99 10:35:06 AM
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Neat0! So when are you going to have a snerd??? I hope you feel better!
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By: Da Sissop
Date: 3/18/99 11:48:44 AM
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 3/19/99 11:55:57 AM
By: rorschach
Date: 3/21/99 7:50:23 PM
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 3/29/99 11:36:33 AM
By: sooz
Date: 4/3/99 9:00:25 PM
By: Da Sissop
Date: 4/4/99 5:31:46 PM
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 4/15/99 10:27:13 AM