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By: Ralf
Date: 11/23/99 11:14:42 PM
# Replies: 55
If you haven't yet, stop whatever you're doing and GO IMMEDIATELY to the nearest theater to see this.
Leave your computer on, leave the house half-dressed, drive like a crazy person, leave the car half-on the curb with the engine running, throw money at the ticket-slave, and knock people aside to obtain suitable seats. It's THAT GOOD.
Kevin Smith is a god. The casting is perfect. Matt Damon & Ben Aflick turn in a flawless performance as two disenfranchised angels. With guns.
Surprisingly, the message is quite spiritual for a movie with so many "fucks" in it. I was delighted/surprised with the ending, and felt it was perfect. The right-wing nutballs who protested the making of this movie obviously never read the script, since it is the best ad for Godstuff I've ever seen.
See it. Now. Buy the cute plush toys. Buy Silent Bob paraphenalia. Worship at www.viewaskew.com.
This is hands down, the best $7.00 I ever spent.
(Except for the first two McEwens I ever had at the Ale House)
Response #1
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/24/99 3:47:24 AM
There are SO many movies I want to see right now. I think it's a good time to be alive, movie-wise.
Response #2
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/25/99 6:22:17 AM
Oh, and just last night KCTS (the local PBS station) screened 'Singin' In The Rain' in its entirety.
The whole time it was on, I couldn't help but think that maybe Hollywood had been into psychedelics long before Tim Leary came on the scene. It has all the classic psylocibe-trip attributes: bright colors, lots of music, sound that barely matches the visuals (synesthasia), play (the movie *is* called 'singin' in the rain'), forced naivete, and at one point, there's a picture of a pair of lips with the caption 'Vowel- A,' and when the actors see it, they sing, "Ay!"
I think that sometime this winter I'm going to organize a Hollywood Musical/Shamanic Journey party. Take mushrooms and watch Technicolor films featuring song and dance.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Dogma.
Response #3
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/8/99 12:16:43 PM
I saw Dogma last week and really enjoyed it. Granted, I'm a big Kevin Smith fan, but I really thought it was some of his better work.
The thing that struck me was that it wasn't so much ground-breaking for ME or, for that matter, anyone here, probably. However, some of the theories and interpretations that are presented in the film are probably completely new to the Mainstream and they're presented in an entertaining way and should/could invoke some real thought afterwards.
Plus, Alan Rickman rocks.
Response #4
By: Ralf
Date: 12/9/99 9:22:30 AM
Amen. My thoughts exactly.
This film is dangerous because it might cause some impressionable youth to think.
Response #5
By: rorschach
Date: 12/10/99 11:24:50 PM
" they taught me in school that thinking might hurt my brain....."
Response #6
By: sooz
Date: 12/12/99 4:02:13 PM
Because of Ralf and Gowan's suggestions, I went to see Dogma today. Decidedly the best $7.00 *I* ever spent, as well.
Whose the actor that played Prophet Bob? I watched the credits and couldn't find his name, and it's driving me goofy, because he looks like a guy I used to know. Nevermind.
Response #7
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/12/99 9:23:46 PM
I haven't seen the movie, but since it's a Kevin Smith movie, I'm guessing it was probably a variation of "Silent Bob," which is actually Kevin Smith.
Response #8
By: sooz
Date: 12/12/99 10:53:13 PM
Gowan confirmed your suspicion, SisJim. I wasn't familiar with his technique.
Also, it occurred to me that I only spent $3.50, not $7.00, as I went to the matinee.
Gowan also tells me that some folks have protested the movie. (This is always funny to me, because it's so counter-productive - protesting draws attention to something you might not otherwise have noticed - say, a textbook that mentions sex, etc.) Any way, I suspect those that protested are those that have something to lose, monetarily, if people start thinking for themselves, and letting God reveal God's own self to each person.
Response #9
By: sooz
Date: 12/13/99 5:35:27 PM
Magazine chooses new face of Jesus
From painting Jesus of the People (AP).
NEW YORK - A painting of a dark-skinned Jesus by an artist who used a woman as a model has been selected by a Catholic magazine as the winner of its contest to update the image of Christ for the new millennium. The painting, Jesus of the People, was selected from nearly 1,700 entries for the cover of a special millennium issue published this week by the National Catholic Reporter, an independent newsweekly and one of the best-known Catholic publications in the country. ''My goal was to be as inclusive as possible,'' said Janet McKenzie, 51, from her studio in Island Pond, Vt. ''At first glance, he is a black or African-American Jesus, but looking more deeply you see many people in it.'' Sister Wendy Beckett, a 69-year-old British nun and host of a public television series about art, selected the winning entry.
Response #10
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/13/99 7:27:34 PM
The face of Betty Crocker just underwent a strikingly similar change just a year or so ago. She was made to look more like "many people". Coincidence?
Response #11
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/14/99 9:01:44 AM
i'd love to see the picture! is there a link?
Response #12
By: Ralf
Date: 12/14/99 9:16:14 AM
Of whom? Jesus Crocker or Betty Christ?
Response #13
By: sooz
Date: 12/14/99 1:54:23 PM
I e-mailed the picture to Jim, 'cuz I didn't know how to add it to my message... but Jim's outta town and can't do much with it. Therefore, I shall put it on a web page of my own for y'all to mosey to:
http://lonestar.texas.net/~sooz/jesus.html
Response #14
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/14/99 4:38:33 PM
"404 - Jesus missing."
(Actually, it wasn't a 404 error, but I couldn't contact lonestar.texas.net. Sigh.)
Response #15
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/14/99 9:00:51 PM
I'm stuck in Dallas until Thursday night.
I hate my job...
Response #16
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 12/14/99 10:37:55 PM
Wow, everyone is out of town.
I've been in Los Angeles for the last 5 days myself. WOO HOO!!
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #17
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/15/99 2:04:29 AM
I suppose that this would explain why I haven't been able to contact anyone. Well, and the fact that I managed to leave my little blue book of phone numbers at home in Seattle.
Response #18
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 12/15/99 5:27:30 AM
I'm here! Wave, wave!
Court called last night.. she got a 118 on her biology final! She really wants to cut on people for a living. sigh..
Response #19
By: Ralf
Date: 12/15/99 7:30:07 AM
Whew. If you'd said "hobby" I woulda been worried.
Response #20
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/15/99 1:42:08 PM
118! Wow... can the extra 18 points be credited toward next semester's final or anything?
Response #21
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/15/99 4:15:58 PM
Tess: And who says letting kids "play doctor" is bad for them? Congrats to the future Dr. Courtney!
Response #22
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/15/99 4:45:33 PM
hm. does your daughter marrying-away proposal still stand?
Response #23
By: sooz
Date: 12/15/99 10:53:17 PM
(note to whoever got the error... make sure you don't use www... just
http://lonestar.texas.net/~sooz/jesus.html
Response #24
By: Tess Trueheart
Date: 12/16/99 5:16:13 AM
Thanks..
Sos.. do you like tall women? She is 5'11" and little sister stands at 6'. Hehehe.. My mom is 5'4" she loves going shopping with the three of us.. feels very safe.
As always I remain the one true amazon goddess!
Response #25
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/16/99 8:39:12 AM
tall women who do surgery are my bag. send her over.
Response #26
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/16/99 7:23:43 PM
In the spirit of "better late than never," here's that picture of New Jesus:
Response #27
By: Ralf
Date: 12/17/99 10:57:21 AM
I dunno if I'd worship THAT jesus.
Maybe if he had red hair...
Response #28
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/17/99 12:36:16 PM
i think he looks pretty down to earth, a nice guy. i'd want to chat.
Response #29
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/17/99 4:01:45 PM
WHAT DO U LOOK LIKE??
R U A SAVIER???
Response #30
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/18/99 3:01:40 AM
He looks like people I know. I'd end up inviting him to a drum circle.
Response #31
By: sooz
Date: 12/18/99 11:21:55 PM
I saw him at Eeyore's Birthday Party. You ever come to that, Homey?
Response #32
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/19/99 2:27:12 PM
I never made it to Eeyore's birthday party. I've heard it's quite an event, tho.
Response #33
By: sooz
Date: 12/20/99 1:24:48 PM
I've gone every year 'cept one for the last 10. Perhaps I should scan pictures of various years and make an Eeyore Memory page.
Response #34
By: sooz
Date: 1/31/00 5:03:49 PM
I got this in my e-mail box the other day. This is a fine, glimmering, shining example of everything I feel Christians are NOT supposed to be. Please, anyone who knows me (Gowan, Ralf, Fang, Cleotis the other Christian, Homer, Ror*.*), vouch for me: I'm a Christian, but I'm not like this. At any rate, a most interesting exchange ensued after I received this diatribe. I did the unthinkable and replied to everyone on the e-mail list, thus starting several different conversation threads. Ok, here goes:
The Movie: "Dogma"
We are starting an e-mail campaign to raise awareness over a movie that has been marketed as a comedy. This weekend my husband and I went to see a movie called "Dogma".
The stars in the movie are Matt Damon, Ben Afleck and Chris Rock. We thought it would be a good movie since we knew the actors, and the movie trailers we had seen for the movie led us to believe it was a comedy about three angels. We thought it would be a movie like John Travolta's angel movie. We were really wrong on our expectations of this movie. Matt and I have never walked out on a movie, but after sitting through 45 minutes, we felt we had to leave because of the way the angels were portrayed. In the 45 minutes we watched the movie, they had an angel pull his pants down to show he was not anatomically correct and then make several references about it, Matt Damon (one of the angels) shot 7 people (he shot the people because he found a loophole on how to get into Heaven after killing people), Chris Rock fell from the sky stark naked, at least four or five profane words were spoken in every sentence, and they did away with crucifix and had another portrayal for Jesus (he was winking and giving a thumbs up sign). They also had a derogatory slang term they were using for Jesus. The movie was so appalling and so against the Christian Faith that Matt and I apologized in prayer to God for having gone to see the movie. We both felt like God was taking names on who was seeing this movie. I think the Devil produced this movie; I can't even begin to describe how appalling and how immoral this movie is.
Please pass this e-mail on to other Christians so they know not to go see this movie and so that they can warn others about the movie. It is really scary to think that a lot of our youth are going to see this movie. Chris Rock, Ben Afleck, and Matt Damon are stars that teenagers go to the movies to see. Please forward this message on to other Christian people, so we can try to put a stop to this movie and so that we can show Hollywood by low ticket sales that we are not going to put up with these kinds of portrayals of Angels and God.
Thanks!
Response #35
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 1/31/00 6:19:58 PM
I've been putting up with the Christian portrayals of angels and god for as long as I've been alive.
Response #36
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 1/31/00 10:04:51 PM
"Matt and I apologized in prayer to God for having gone to see the movie"
This part was particularly priceless.
Response #37
By: Roxanne
Date: 1/31/00 10:22:35 PM
Gee, the movie's title, "Dogma" didn't tip them off?
And thinking it was going to be like John Travolta's angel movie? Um, forgive me, since I didn't see "Michael", but the previews I saw showed Travolta's angel dancing, carousing, smoking and drinking...
Response #38
By: Ralf
Date: 2/1/00 7:19:56 AM
Arguing with these cretins can be fun, so long as you understand NOTHING you say will make a difference, ever.
Response #39
By: Shadow Sprite
Date: 2/1/00 2:07:48 PM
Hmmm... Wonder what they thought of "Fallen" and "Prophecy"?
Response #40
By: sooz
Date: 2/1/00 5:05:56 PM
Or "Leap of Faith".
Response #41
By: Roxanne
Date: 2/4/00 4:08:04 PM
Or "What Dreams May Come"!
I just watched it on video this morning..my my! Ain't a very Christian view of Heaven or Hell at all. It was even promoting the concept of reincarnation!
Please warn all of your Christian friends not to see this movie!
Response #42
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/5/00 10:56:46 PM
Warn anyone in general not to see that movie.
Response #43
By: Ralf
Date: 2/5/00 11:27:09 PM
I was going to agree, but then I asked myself -- why do I dislike WDMC so much? And I couldn't answer. I know I don't like it, but why?
Anyone?
Response #44
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 2/6/00 2:55:51 AM
I disliked it because it had all the answers, but didn't pose any questions.
It was... dogmatic.
Response #45
By: Roxanne
Date: 2/6/00 12:27:12 PM
The special FX were cool and were probably very stunning on the big screen. But the story line was pretty skimpy. And I agree with Homer, it spoon fed all the answers. And honestly, it made "heaven" look pretty damn dull.
Response #46
By: Ralf
Date: 2/7/00 7:50:42 AM
Roger that. Excellenet observations all, but why does it push my buttons? I was actually pissed off by the time the credits rolled.
Maybe it's because it presents this "radical" view of the afterlife that isn't all that new or different. They had the opportunity to shake things up, but instead went with inoffensive pap.
WDMC *could* have been a polite Dogma, something the masses would accept without rancor. But they wimped out.
Or maybe I'm tired of seeing Robin Williams play a doctor.
Response #47
By: Roxanne
Date: 2/7/00 1:36:02 PM
Maybe you're just tired of seeing Robin Williams. Shall we see a show of hands? *waving mine frantically*
Oooo! Did anyone else watch the A&E special last night about Sex in the Bible? Pretty racy stuff! Maybe I should read that book, unless the state of Alabama has got wind of the incest, rape, fornication and adultery in it and had it banned!
Response #48
By: Ralf
Date: 2/7/00 3:07:54 PM
My favorite story is about David and Bath-Sheba.
Horny King David spies a sumptuous babe taking a bath from afar, and is so smitten he sends for her. Behind closed doors, they "discuss matters of royal court" (if you know what I mean, nudge, nudge, wink, wink) and it is then he learns she is Uriah's wife.
So David exercises his powers of state and has Uriah sent to the front in the battle of Rabbah, where he is killed. Husband out of the way, David marries Bath-Sheba and starts a rock band called "Uriah Heep" just to annoy Bath-Sheba.
Adultry, fornification, murder, abuse of power, soapy nekkid babes, a guy named David -- that story has it all!
Response #49
By: sooz
Date: 2/7/00 10:29:19 PM
Yesirree Bob! I even saw a poster for a Bible study class... "He saw her on the balcony. She was HOT. Found out she was married, but he was in charge of the army... sent the husband to be killed in war while getting it on with HER. And they call the Bible boring?"
Then there's Song of Solomon, hubba hubba. The woman is in the bed fantasizing about her man, when he comes knocking at her door... but her hands are so moist from, um, thinking about him that she can't turn the door handle, and he gives up and goes away before she gets the damned door open.
"300 wives, 1200 concubines, and he was led astray? Sunday School -- better than cable", the posters say.
Response #50
By: Roxanne
Date: 5/10/00 5:38:26 AM
At long last, "Dogma"
Finally, saw this over the weekend and I'm kicking myself for not following Ralf's instructions to the letter when it was still at the theaters. What a great movie!!
Bonus points for Betty Aberlin as the nun at the very beginning...she was a regular on "Mister Roger's Neighborhood"!! That's nearly as much fun as the guy who played "Peter" in the movie "Jesus Christ Superstar" going on to become a big porno actor!
Or Amy Grant going from squeaky clean Gospel singer to divorcee breaking up Vince Gill's marriage then baggin' him for herself!
Response #51
By: sooz
Date: 5/10/00 11:29:57 AM
Hey, *I* rented Dogma the other day, too! I'd seen it, but Richie hadn't. I was reminded what a fabulous flick it is.
Response #52
By: rorschach
Date: 5/15/00 11:21:24 AM
saw it myself saturday, finally.... becky didn't like it, I was ROTFL.... (becky is a bit of a prude....)also saw End of Days....(yea, i noticed the theme myself after about 10 minutes of dogma.....) not that good a plot but not bad as a horror flick....
Response #53
By: Ralf
Date: 5/16/00 5:36:22 AM
End of Days was just plain silly. Unsympathetic characters, plot holes you could drive a flock of geese through, a lame-o bad guy (*THIS* is Satan?! Get Gary Oldman on the phone NOW!), ham-fisted exposition, and a totally unsatisfying ending.
Response #54
By: The Sorcerer
Date: 6/25/00 7:50:34 PM
Finally saw Dogma this afternoon. Outstanding film! I must go forth and purchase the DVD now!
Sorc'(Rev)
Response #55
By: Zane T. Dark
Date: 7/15/00 10:30:40 PM
When you do, we're making a video loop of Selma Hayek dancing to 'Candy Girl'..that's the only reason I'd buy it on DVD!