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By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/24/01 5:36:14 AM
# Replies: 107
The Ale House is closing after June 3rd. Seems that since all the new soulless construction started popping up, business has been down and legal fees have been up.
So, anyone up for one last snerd?
Response #1
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/24/01 8:28:00 AM
Can't garuntee I'll make it, but I will definitely be there in spirit!. This is a sad, sad occasion.
Fang, try and swipe some stuff before they close. I'll take anything you can get!
Response #2
By: Roxanne
Date: 5/24/01 9:59:09 AM
No no no no no no nooooooooooo!!
Can't anything be done to stop it?????? A protest? A sit-in? A riot?
Oh man, I am seriously depressed now! :(
Response #3
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 5/24/01 12:48:42 PM
First the Speakeasy burns down, and now the Ale House is going away? Maaan.
Response #4
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/24/01 12:55:37 PM
Comments can be left on the Ale House's web site, if you'd like to chime in with anything for the time capsule.
Sigh.
I plan to continue to show up and drink beer on that land until late into the night.
Response #5
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/24/01 9:30:18 PM
Wow!
Jim get's around eh Homer?
Response #6
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/25/01 2:46:45 AM
I'm not that guy. I'm not that guy either.
Response #7
By: Ralf
Date: 5/27/01 5:37:53 AM
The end of an era. Too bad it can't be declared a historic structure or something.
I think I remember seeing some snail darters in the bathroom once, next to the spotted owl.
If it becomes a parking lot, there shouldn't be anything stopping us from having a memorial tailgate party there every year on some date or other.
Right?
In any case, I plan to return on some dark, moonless night and spraypaint "Forrest Malone is a feckless bastard" on the asphalt where the mens room once stood, 2nd urinal from the left.
Response #8
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 5/28/01 9:48:22 AM
Paper: Houston Chronicle
Date: SAT 05/26/01
Section: A
Page: 37 MetFront
Edition: 3 STAR
A FAREWELL TO ALE / Longtime English pub set to closeits doors
By ROSANNA RUIZ
Staff
Hear ye, hear ye: Where once there was an old English pub, now there
shall be nothing but rubble.
'Tis true. The Ale House shall be no more come June. Later this
summer, the refuse will be replaced with shiny, new stores.
Ah, the tale of the demise of the 1900s-era building at 2425 W.
Alabama fell like an anvil on the pub's loyal patrons.
"This is like a home to me%3B it's going to be a very sad day when it
closes," said longtime patron and former Ale House employee Janelle
Hardin, who made a trip from San Diego before the pub's closing.
"I've made lifelong friends here."
The Ale House , in business for 20 years, will serve its last drop of
beer June 3 .
A new bar, Stag's Head, will open in the Shepherd Plaza area in
September, said Ale House general manager Angela Jenkins. Patrons and
even the ghosts said to haunt the building will have to move.
A seance will be conducted at the pub Tuesday to make sure Maggie,
the young girl who died on the third floor, finds her way, Jenkins
said.
"We'll have a seance and help her move on," said Jenkins, manager for
20 years.
Houston developer Michael Ainbinder purchased the property May 8 to
expand The Centre at River Oaks at Alabama and Kirby. The pub, he
said, will be razed as part of the second phase of construction of
the nine-month-old shopping center.
Ainbinder said his offer to relocate the pub down the street was
never accepted. The Ale House owner was not available for comment,
Jenkins said .
As for the ghost, Ainbinder said that if Maggie decides to stay, he'll make room for her.
"It's my understanding she occupies the upstairs of the building," he
said. "We're going to leave an office available for her if she would
like one."
Construction should begin in August on the shopping center's second
phase. No date has been set for the demolition.
"It's abominable," Jenkins said of the razing."They just don't seem
to care. It's probably one of the oldest buildings in Houston."
It was built around 1903 as a farmhouse, Jenkins said, and is
believed to have been used as a speak-easy during Prohibition in the
1920s and 30s.
The new bar will also have a pub theme, but it will be difficult to
replicate the Ale House atmosphere, patrons said.
"On weekends," said Terry Lohrenz, 39, "I'd bring my daughters to
have some lunch. It has a very nice, almost family atmosphere."
Response #9
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/28/01 7:14:00 PM
Isn't there SOME WAY to get it declared a historical land mark or something? This is just not right!
Response #10
By: Roxanne
Date: 5/29/01 12:09:05 PM
I hope the ghost is as upset as we are and haunts the hell out of the new businesses!!!!
Response #11
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/29/01 4:47:17 PM
Did you read?
They are planning a seance to move the ghost.
That guy will do ANYTHING to try and kiss public ass in order to try and smoother over his vermin like tendancies.
He even said that he "offered to move the Alehouse".
Yeah, right!
Too little, too late tightwad!
Response #12
By: Fierce Pancake
Date: 5/30/01 6:49:04 AM
Ah... crap.
Response #13
By: Roxanne
Date: 5/30/01 6:03:37 PM
Seance won't do any good if the ghost doesn't *want* to move!
Hey, maybe we could have our own seance and get the ghost to move HERE! Cool!
Webnuns! The first haunted website!
Response #14
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 5/30/01 6:13:56 PM
Hey guys. You live in *Houston.* What else could have possibly happened? I hate to throw in a wet towel here, but think about the hopes and dreams of the hundreds of people who bought Jaguars at the place next door. Were those dreams shattered so that people could have convenient parking to go to Barnes & Noble (or whatever store-in-a-box is there now)?
It's the way of Houston. Tear down cool things for parking space that will make it easier for lame things to exist.
Up around these parts, we have protestors who climb up into the trees so loggers won't cut them down. I suggest a similar tactic for the Ale House. Sit on the roof and try to get Julia Butterfly to show up and give a speech.
Response #15
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 5/31/01 8:41:23 AM
He's got a point.
And all too sadly, Austin is becoming more like Houston everyday.
Response #16
By: Ralf
Date: 5/31/01 1:47:29 PM
FWIW, Atlanta beat you to it.
Sherman burned the place down 100 years ago so they could build a solid carpet of Krystalburger and Chic-Fil-A outlets. No old buildings *here* to stand in the way of progress!
Response #17
By: sooz
Date: 5/31/01 7:15:43 PM
I don't know if y'all know this, but the people that are parking in those parking lots next to the stores-in-a-box are, well, PEOPLE. That's right, humans, just like you and me. Living breathing folks that WANT to go to those stores.
I know, I know, they're not exactly like you, so surely their evil.
Response #18
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/31/01 8:24:47 PM
I don't think they're evil. I just don't think there's ultimately going to be *enough* of them to keep most of these folks in business for more than a couple of years. That's the real tragedy... to the immediate west of the Ale House is the new Border's bookstore, and a new restaurant opened by the Carrabas guys. I dunno how Border's is doing, but the restaurant isn't doing very well (restaurant gossip flows through neighboring places like the Ale House, ya see). To the immediate east is a COMPLETELY EMPTY new set of stripmall retail spaces. The Ale House is being demolished so that the east can meet west, and when it does there will be ample parking for the new, mostly empty, bohemoth. It would be a shame to have a 100-year-old building obstructing all the colorful new gang graffiti that's sure to pop up.
A few people are trying to be a thorn in the developers' side; can the building be declared a historic structure, can the trees be protected... but the sad fact is that the Ale House *PUB* has already been killed off, and it won't be coming back.
I'd sit on the roof if I thought I could save my pub, and if I didn't have to worry about losing my job, but as it stands the bastards have already won.... So I'm mostly just mourning with the rest of my Ale House friends....
Response #19
By: Da Sissop
Date: 5/31/01 8:44:08 PM
Response #20
By: Ralf
Date: 6/1/01 9:19:49 AM
Jay was quoted. Was your quote unprintable, Jim?
Response #21
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/1/01 10:19:51 AM
Hehe... I wasn't there when the Houston Press reporter was reporting, but it's not likely I would've come up with anything quotable anyway. I *was* there when Shern-Min Chow was doing a report for channel 11, and I wasn't quotable then.
I do have Jay's bit on video, though, and I'll digitize soon. :)
Response #22
By: rorschach
Date: 6/1/01 10:55:03 AM
I heard about everybody's loss and thought I'd stop in to say I'm sorry for you guys.....
Response #23
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/1/01 12:15:50 PM
Well, I talked Kathy into coming to Houston this weekend, so we will be there Saturday night. Anyone else going?
Response #24
By: sooz
Date: 6/1/01 3:19:10 PM
Ror*!
Response #25
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/1/01 4:08:59 PM
[And the crowd Ror*s]
Yoyoyo! Good to seeya man!
Response #26
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/1/01 10:31:54 PM
I'm guessing that's a no?
Response #27
By: Da Sissop
Date: 6/2/01 11:37:56 AM
Oh, I'm in and out every day man. I should warn ya though, don't expect to be able to get a table any more, or even to be able to walk without squeezing up against total strangers (that can be fun, but it can also be a nightmare). They have been PACKED since about Wednesday evening.
Go as EARLY in the day as you can. And pray that it doesn't rain. :)
Response #28
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 6/2/01 11:58:37 AM
I really wish I could fly in for the evening and have one last sausage roll, but alas, I can't. I can't even get Shiner Bock up here. I guess I'll go to the brewpub where my housemate works and drink a toast to anachronism and community - may they always thrive in the face of expanded parking.
Which reminds me... When are you folks coming to visit?
Response #29
By: sooz
Date: 6/2/01 2:02:04 PM
That looks like a darn fine brew pub, Homer.
Find us some good places to play up there, and we'll be on our way... but it's your turn to find the good coffee.
We do different songs now, including dance mixes of some cool cover tunes. (i.e. the music isn't all Jesus-riddled).
Response #30
By: rorschach
Date: 6/2/01 2:43:46 PM
I been OK, just been off in a different corner of the web doing other things for a while.... sometimes I just gotta take a break and go do something else... that and moving into a new house up in Spring, with more bedrooms, and right after we move in, beck decides she's pregnant... the latest edition arrived 5-8-01, If I had a clue how to post a jpeg of her (Amanda Caitlin) here I would.
Response #31
By: sooz
Date: 6/2/01 10:35:02 PM
Wow! Congratulations on the arrival of Amanda! And how does Becky get to decide she's preganant? I wanna know her secret.
Response #32
By: The Professor
Date: 6/4/01 8:54:33 AM
Now that the Ale House is gone, can anyone recommend a good place to get 'bangers and mash'?
Response #33
By: rorschach
Date: 6/4/01 10:42:19 AM
I haven't quite figured that out either Sooz, we had been trying for ages and had sold off most of the baby stuff we had kept around on the assumption that it just wasn't in the cards anymore.... but as soon as we sold it all off and moved to a bigger place.... there it was. does seem kinda fishy for it to have been a coincidence doesn't it?
Response #34
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 6/4/01 4:30:07 PM
Off the top of my head, Prof, there's the Richmond Arms (owned by the Ale House people), The Black Labrador and McGonigel's Mucky Duck.
Response #35
By: Capt. Spastic
Date: 6/4/01 8:17:23 PM
Gowan hit the best suggestions right on the head.
Response #36
By: Da Sissop
Date: 11/27/01 7:57:54 PM
As of tonight (hiccup) the Stag's Head Pub is officially OPEN. And I give it at least two enthusuastic thumbs up. Yes, it's located in a strip shopping center known as the Shepherd's Plaza, but they have worked magic on the inside.
Hurry and visit while it's still got that new bar smell!
Response #37
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/28/01 2:22:51 AM
Isn't that the same shopping center where Auntie Chang's Dumpling House is? Woo! Eat garlic chicken and then go get beer. Such a deal!
Response #38
By: WitchHazel
Date: 11/28/01 8:21:50 AM
I love the smell of a new bar! No mold or must yet! Woo!
So what was the first drink you had there, Fang? Do tell! (Obviously BEER, what kind?)
Response #39
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 11/28/01 11:53:10 AM
Nope. Different strip center, Homer.
It's the one where the Sound Wherehouse/Blockbuster Music/Wherehouse Music is on Greenbriar at Richmondish.
Response #40
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 11/29/01 1:33:35 AM
Ahh! So instead of dumplings, we get chicken pot pie at the 59 Diner. Too bad they didn't move into the old Pig 'N Whistle building.
Response #41
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 11/29/01 8:40:15 PM
That building is cursed, I swear. Hell, that whole intersection is. I just hope it doesn't affect The Ale House II, er, I mean, The Stag's Head.
So many things have opened and closed in that intersection, it's
ridiculous. Latest casualty? The Pot Pie moved from Westheimer to that intersection after years and years and years. Poof. Gone.
Of course, the main problem with the previous Pig building is the complete lack of parking. The neighbors in that area are pretty hardcore about there not being a social establishment on that corner, too.
Response #42
By: WitchHazel
Date: 11/30/01 6:47:30 PM
Pot Pie moved!?!?! OH. MY. GOD.
Response #43
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/1/01 1:54:15 AM
Hmm. Come to think of it, Amy's is in that same shopping place. And a Whataburger and a James' Coney Island just down the block. All your feeding frenzy needs, supplied in one handy place.
Well, I guess I'll just have to visit Houston for Christmas.
Response #44
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/1/01 11:21:00 AM
(glares at Witch)
Response #45
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/2/01 5:48:34 PM
(Grins back at Gowan)
Response #46
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/5/01 10:40:45 AM
(raising hands)
Homer! Come to Houston, I SUMMON THEE!
Response #47
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/5/01 11:11:14 AM
I think we should ALL go to Houston and have one big snerd at the new place.
Response #48
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/5/01 2:44:34 PM
I might be coming to Houston some time after the New Year.
Response #49
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/5/01 6:26:58 PM
So Hazel, if you feel like hopping on a plane, SW still has flights at around $400 round trip. Fly on Tues, Wed, or Sat.
You don't need to make car payments in December, right? The financiers give you that month for free don't they?
And Sissop: We'll go to the right Pappa's place this time.
Response #50
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/5/01 6:40:28 PM
Actually, if you book at least a week in advance, you can go from Seattle to Houston and back for $259.25 on Southwest.
Response #51
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/6/01 4:27:49 AM
Yes. If there are planes that have empty seats. It would seem that there are none.
Response #52
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/6/01 6:46:09 AM
hm. i'm going to be in houston for christmas weekend. anything going down?
Response #53
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/6/01 8:57:09 AM
Homey, are you going down there?
Response #54
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/6/01 9:53:00 AM
I suppose it depends on when you want to travel..
Response #55
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/6/01 7:32:16 PM
I'm going to Houston, yes. Probably arriving the 22nd, leaving early Jan.
Response #56
By: sooz
Date: 12/7/01 3:47:06 AM
"I suppose it depends on when you want to travel.." That was beautifully tasteless.
Response #57
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/7/01 8:05:53 AM
Huh?
Response #58
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/7/01 11:00:30 AM
Hell, I said it and I missed it.
Response #59
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/7/01 11:25:25 AM
I think she's stoned.
Response #60
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/7/01 11:37:10 AM
whew! i didn't say anything because i was afraid i was the only square one here!
Response #61
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/7/01 8:18:02 PM
Here, SoS. Have a bong hit.
Response #62
By: sooz
Date: 12/8/01 10:16:26 AM
Oh, wow. It seemed really obvious at the time. Now I've read it and reread it... and nothing clicks.
I musta been stoned. Whew.
Response #63
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/9/01 5:52:02 PM
I had no idea you were so herb-friendly, Sooz.
Response #64
By: sooz
Date: 12/10/01 5:39:13 AM
I'm just blowin' a lotta smoke.
Response #65
By: bob
Date: 12/10/01 10:52:07 AM
did you have mexican food again, sooz?
Response #66
By: sooz
Date: 12/10/01 11:26:22 AM
Chinese for lunch, Italian for dinner last night, but Mexican twice on Saturday.
Response #67
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/10/01 12:13:40 PM
how cosmopolitan!
Response #68
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/10/01 1:04:18 PM
What? No German food in there somewhere? I'm appalled.
Response #69
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/10/01 2:23:18 PM
When sooz says she 'had Mexican' twice Saturday, it means something completely different.
Response #70
By: sooz
Date: 12/10/01 2:41:32 PM
Muhahahaha. Props to Homer for thinkin' of my Hispanic husbando.
Hey witch, I thought about sausage several times. Does that count?
Response #71
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/10/01 3:02:22 PM
Mentioning "eating Mexican", sausage, and your hunky hispanic husband in the same post... Well, I'm simply too overwhelmed to respond right now. ;-)
Response #72
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/10/01 11:19:32 PM
I dunno about Austin, but Houston only has three authentic German restaurants, so it's probably pretty hard to find "German food".
Response #73
By: sooz
Date: 12/11/01 6:55:52 AM
If I drive south for 30-45 minutes, I'm in New Braunfels, where they're so German, they have a 2-week festival to "honor the sausage" (Wurstfest). I even went this year.
To the west, there's Fredericksburg, another German town. I hide out there once or twice a year (rent a guest house for a couple nights, take bubble bath and couple books, and then feel much better), and I remember a conversation I overheard at the brewery/restaurant one night.
He: "It looks like all that's on this menu is German food."
She: "German food? Ick! Don't they have anything else?"
He: "Not that I see. Let's call the waiter over."
She (to waiter): "Don't you have anything that's not GERMAN here?"
Waiter: "No ma'am, this is a German brewery/restaurant, in a German tourist town."
She: "Well, where can we GO to get something that's not GERMAN?"
Waiter: "There's a McDonald's at the end of the street..."
I ordered a Reuben sammich and a fine German beer, and toasted the Germanophobes. :-)
Response #74
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/11/01 9:33:04 AM
*PROST!*
(Gulping a Paulaner Hefeweizen in honor of Sooz)
Response #75
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/11/01 7:35:44 PM
Okay okay, one more time, roll call for all who is gonna be in Houston and when.
ME! FOREVER!
Tentatively I'm thinking Saturday the 22nd might be a good day for a snerd at the Ale H-- I mean the Stag's Head.
Response #76
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/11/01 7:58:10 PM
I'll be in Houston until the 25th and then I'll be San Antonio until around 6pm and then in Austin shortly after that (however long it takes to get there). Then I'll be back in Houston on the 26th more than likely.
Response #77
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/12/01 12:07:47 AM
If all goes according to plan, I'll be in Houston in the middle of next week.
Response #78
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/12/01 6:21:54 AM
i will arrive the 21st and leave the 26th. a 22nd shindig sounds good
Response #79
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/12/01 10:40:16 AM
Dang. I feel left out. *pout* Please take pictures!
Response #80
By: Roxanne
Date: 12/12/01 12:37:05 PM
I will be in Houston in either January or February.
:(
Response #81
By: sooz
Date: 12/12/01 8:37:22 PM
I'll be the January 6. :-(
Response #82
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/20/01 10:17:43 AM
hey! is this snerd happening or what!!
Response #83
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/21/01 7:41:24 AM
I'll probably be at the Stag's Head every day through Christmas *anyway*, but just in case any visitors to this fair city wish to confirm an appointment, I can be reached at 832-814-6930.
Response #84
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/21/01 1:25:35 PM
NEVER give a stalker your phone number. Now that I have it, you might want to get Caller ID.
Response #85
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/21/01 5:43:50 PM
I can attest that you weren't there LAST night because *I* was.
Response #86
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/22/01 6:03:44 AM
Okay, I *meant* effective the 21st. I've been really busy at work again.
Hazel: I need Call Waiting to keep up with all the stalkers already.
Response #87
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/22/01 6:58:59 AM
alright, i'm making my way down tonight. if someone will give me directions!
Response #88
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/22/01 7:29:17 AM
Here's a map.
But to summarize, it's in the Shepherd Plaza, where the big Wherehouse Music is (used to be Blockbuster Music, which used to be Sound Warehouse). Go into that lot, make your way around the backside, and start looking for the giant rotating neon stag's head sign. Okay, it's not that tacky, but I'm still guessing you can't miss it.
Response #89
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/22/01 8:42:31 AM
Oh, is THAT why the line is always busy when I call?
Response #90
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/22/01 7:49:17 PM
Vell, I haf made it to Hyoostun, no matter how numerous the lightning bolts thrown at me from the Gods Of Travel. (Does the word 'travel' share roots with 'travail?')
Stag's Head soon, perhaps tomorrow.
Response #91
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/22/01 11:22:45 PM
Jeez Homer, did that bus driver drive like a maniac, or what!?!? ;-) (Glad you made it safe! Have a beer for me!)
Response #92
By: Homer The Brave
Date: 12/23/01 2:26:58 AM
For an uncomfortable, slice-of-life, see-random-people-at-their-worst experience, GO GREYHOUND!
Response #93
By: sooz
Date: 12/23/01 10:37:15 AM
Ah, yes. Greyhound.
Richie and Jimmy took it from Austin to San Antonio... or was it Dallas? Anyway, Richie ended up next to a very large, smelly woman that thought it important to share intimate details of her sex life with Richie... while Jimmy sat in a seat behind them, laughing his fool head off.
Memories, sweet memories...
Response #94
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/23/01 11:12:45 AM
This is why I fly. But even on planes you can get whackos next to you, but at least it's usually just for a couple of hours. Give me a drink or two, and I can almost TOLERATE their sex life stories.
Response #95
By: Da Sissop
Date: 12/25/01 7:32:12 PM
My best plane story... unfortunately *I* was the colorful character most likely to be recounted by a stranger at parties...
November 1995. I'm on a flight from Atlanta to London, as part of a U.S.A. entourage to attend a wedding of friends living in Edinburgh. I'm flying British Airways. The flight attendants all have that sexy accent. A meal is served. I'm seated next to a British lady who has not really been talkative until mealtime. The meal is Beef Tips.
Technically, I guess I still don't know what a beef tip actually is. But whatever it is, it's dry. It's very dry. I'm eating my tips, and having polite converstaion with the British lady. It's very pleasant. As I consume a particulary massive beef tip, she asks if I am traveling on business or pleasure. I hurriedly swallow so that I may answer. The beef tip lodges deep within my esophagus.
It's no longer in my mouth, but it has not quite made it into my stomach. It's wedged right above that little sphincter that prevents stomach contents from flowing back up. I'm not overly panicked, I've eaten dry food before, I'll simply take a drink of water and wash it down.
I take a drink. It does not wash the beef tip down. In fact, it flows down to where the beef tip is lodged, and it cannot pass. The British lady is looking at me, waiting for an answer to her perfectly reasonable inquiry. My face must be registering something of my alarm, because she very calmly refers me to the seat pocket in front of me where there is an air sickness bag. I grab it and release a throatload.
I am terribly embarrassed.
After a few moments, she asks if I would mind if she continued with her meal.
Response #96
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/26/01 12:17:58 AM
i bet the stewardess didn't get any tips that night. hahahahah
Response #97
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/26/01 10:14:58 AM
Yes, that would definitely register as one of Life's Most Embarrassing Moments.
And yeah... what the #$&% are beef tips?
Response #98
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/26/01 7:07:48 PM
Beef tips are made a variety of ways. Some people use stew meat, but the original dish uses the part of the sirloin called the bottom sirloin which is part of the sirloin tip muscle. There are "tips" in both round steak and sirloin, but sirloin is the most widely used in the dish.
Response #99
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/26/01 8:34:59 PM
So bottom sirloin must be tougher/drier than the standard (juicy) top sirloin. Interesting.
I've had a Tri-Tip cut of steak before. What's THAT?
Response #100
By: sooz
Date: 12/27/01 6:41:38 AM
Sounds like something that would be in a "tri-city metroplex" or something.
Response #101
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/27/01 9:38:02 AM
Tri-tip is Californian for sirloin tip. The front part is more tender and is often sold as boneless sirloin steaks. Further back, they are called sirloin tip steaks. Real sirloin steaks have a bone in them.
Sirloin tip is just rearward of the shortloin section. On a human, the shortloin section would be the muscles at the back of the waist.
Response #102
By: Seventh of Seven
Date: 12/27/01 10:30:44 AM
geez gowan, how do you know so much about cows?
Response #103
By: sooz
Date: 12/27/01 12:27:44 PM
He has Google, and he knows how to use it.
Response #104
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/27/01 2:12:09 PM
The guy is a walking reference manual.
Response #105
By: Gowan McGland
Date: 12/28/01 9:08:54 AM
Oh, yeah, and my fambly owns a smokehouse.
But I'm also pretty darn good with a variety of reference materials.
Response #106
By: sooz
Date: 12/28/01 5:37:09 PM
They make a fine Christmas ham, I might add.
Response #107
By: WitchHazel
Date: 12/28/01 10:36:46 PM
And a great jalepeno sausage bread. Mmmmm.